dwemer dwarves ehhhh lord of the rings ? : V

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:44 am

Last night i was watching this film (number 3 lord o t rings )
And i must say it looks just like skyrim . There was a smal village with a longhouse. the factions . The helmets. Even the dwarf helmet looked like the skyrim helmets. The nazgul are somewhat like dragons. The one that rides it is like a dragon priest....I was so surprised by it. loveley... The big city in the rocks looks like markath..... whow.....

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:07 am

The ES series has definitely been influenced by Tolkien's works. They've take the lore from LoTR and added their unique twist to it.

The difference between the Dwarves of LoTR and the Dwemer of TES is that the TES version of the race are/were as tall as an Imperial. They were called Dwarfs because that's what the Giants named them.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:14 am

You mean two fantasy realms, one made by Tolkein, one heavily inspired by Tolkein, are similar?

How has no one noticed this?

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:17 am

You mean two fantasy realms, one made by Tolkein, one heavily inspired by Tolkein, are similar?

How has no one noticed this?

No, I have not really.
The movies are just someones interpretation of the books.
If anything, if they look similar then Bethesda has been influenced by the art director of the movies, not LoTR.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:26 am

Most of modern fantasy was inspired by Tolkein. You can find the mans fingerprints in ever major fantasy world created for the last 50 years.

But as has been pointed out numerous times in dozens of threads, the Dwemer were nothing like the Dwarves of Lord of the Rings. They are more akin to steam-punk Elves than anything aproaching short, grumpy bearded people. They did have beards though...

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:05 am

TES , especially Skryrim and Oblivion, have always been heavily inspired by Lotr. Look at Whiterun and compare it to that Rohan city...

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:40 am

TES , especially Skryrim and Oblivion, have always been heavily inspired by Lotr. Look at Whiterun and compare it to that Rohan city...

I really dont get it.
Thats a movie.
Its not the books.
How can you say something looks like Rohan? It does not. It looks like the art director of the movies thought Rohan should look.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:27 am

I really dont get it.
Thats a movie.
Its not the books.
How can you say something looks like Rohan? It does not. It looks like the art director of the movies thought Rohan should look.

The Rohan that I have seen looks like Whiterun. So Rohan in my head is the one from the movies.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:05 am

No, I have not really.
The movies are just someones interpretation of the books.
If anything, if they look similar then Bethesda has been influenced by the art director of the movies, not LoTR.

So why can't everything described ALSO be an interpretation of the books? And they can interpretations of both the books and films as well. They could draw some of the lore from the books, maybe a description of a city too. And then seeing how everyone has seen the movies they can say, "I like how the movie did this type of weapon, let's try and do something similar.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:58 am

I'm sorry, but you know very little about either LOTR or TES. Dragons and Nazgul have nothing in common beside flight, and likening Minas Tirith to Markath is quite a stretch. Tolkien's Dwarves are practically completely alien to Tamrielic Dwemer, who are Dwarves only in the eyes of the giants that named them. That longhouse in Edoras might have a passing resemblance to Dragonsreach, but beside that comparing Whiterun's tundra plains to Rohan's golden southern fields is ingenious. I challenge your comparisons.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:50 am

I'm sorry, but you know very little about either LOTR or TES. Dragons and Nazgul have nothing in common beside flight, and likening Minas Tirith to Markath is quite a stretch. Tolkien's Dwarves are practically completely alien to Tamrielic Dwemer, who are Dwarves only in the eyes of the giants that named them. That longhouse in Edoras might have a passing resemblance to Dragonsreach, but beside that comparing Whiterun's tundra plains to Rohan's golden southern fields is ingenious. I challenge your comparisons.

Rohan and Whiterun are very similiar whether you want it or not. WHile dwarves and dwemer are very different culture and appernce wise they both build their cities inside mountains, at least in Skyrim. Dragons and Nzgul comparision was about their looks I believe and they do have some minor similiarities but the dragon priests are very similiar to the riders. Imperial city is of pretty much the same arcetecture as Minas Tirith.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:28 pm

I really dont get it.
Thats a movie.
Its not the books.
How can you say something looks like Rohan? It does not. It looks like the art director of the movies thought Rohan should look.

oh come on, the rohan in the books looks like letters. how can anything created look like something out of a book? don't be so serious about that.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:03 am

Most of modern fantasy was inspired by Tolkein. You can find the mans fingerprints in ever major fantasy world created for the last 50 years.

False. There are plenty of fantasy settings that have nothing to do with Tolkien. D&D's Dark Sun setting (please, please, Bethesda, do Elswheyr ... :puppyface:) and China Mieville's world come to mind. There are other examples, too.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:48 am

whiterun looks very much like Eodoras does it not

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:29 am

Everyone should know that TES is heavily inspired and influenced by Tolkien's work because Tolkien's work is the first real fantasy universe ever created. Elves, Dwarves, Wizards, Goblins, Orcs and Trolls for example we know today are pretty much Tolkien's vision on them with a little twist.

It's possible, but very few fantasy universes are not inspired by Tolkien's.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:32 am

Yeah it is not even Tolkien that inspired most of that. It was Norse mythology if you want to get to the real culprit. Tolkien interpreted Norse(and several others) mythology, then people interpreted his interpretation and then people interpreted their interpretations. It is simply a case of interpretation-ception.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:29 am

It is simply a case of interpretation-ception.

Ooh, I like this. Stolen, to be spouted somewhere else so I'll appear wise and witty.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:29 am

Dwemer are nothing like Dwarves.

Almost ALL fantasy is Tolkien influenced. LOTR is basically the epitome of "generic" fantasy.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:14 am

Imperial city is of pretty much the same arcetecture as Minas Tirith.

Imperial city and Minas Tirith have only one thing in common; they're made of white rock. Minas Tirith has seven levels and is surrounded by Pelennor fields. Imperial city is plain flat and has only one tower in the middle of it, and is surrounded by a lake.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:32 am

has anyone EVER considered that Whiterun isnt based off LOTR,but BOTH are based off of original Scandinavian villages?
Just because LOTR made it all so 'known' doenst mean they invented the damn thing.
Skyrim is obviously heavilly influenced by Scandinavian/Viking mythology and history.
Sovngarde sounds like Walhalla for a reason...

LOTR's Rohan culture is based off the same ideas and designs,wich is why they are so similar.
NOT because Bethesda took LOTR's ideas.
Learn some frikkin history before you go running your mouth off.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:33 am

Yeah it is not even Tolkien that inspired most of that. It was Norse mythology if you want to get to the real culprit. Tolkien interpreted Norse(and several others) mythology, then people interpreted his interpretation and then people interpreted their interpretations. It is simply a case of interpretation-ception.

BINGO! Th reason everyone says it's based on Tolkien is because Tolkien is all they know. Everyone has seen the movies, but almost no one is familiar with the actual myths and legends Tolkien based his stories on.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:41 am

And thinking that Lord of the Rings writer Tolkien made something brand new is flawed on all accounts.

EG:
Dwarfs/ Elves/ Dragons/ Orks etc etc were in European myths long before Tolkien was born.

The only original thing he made were Hobbits, if iam not mistaken.

LOL someone beaten me to it.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:55 am

This does partly annoy me about the newer TES games. No imagination even on influence. IMO all the devs did for Skyrim was go out and research Norse legend and mythology and stick it in the game. No the Nords are different in the TES World. Just Bethesda's generic research of them. This is why the lore seems to be more generic since the Oblivion timeline. Atleast Morrowind felt like a real different and alien world called Nirn.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:05 am

Everyone should know that TES is heavily inspired and influenced by Tolkien's work because Tolkien's work is the first real fantasy universe ever created. Elves, Dwarves, Wizards, Goblins, Orcs and Trolls for example we know today are pretty much Tolkien's vision on them with a little twist.

It's possible, but very few fantasy universes are not inspired by Tolkien's.

The LTOR of tolkien is inspired by his fights at the "First world war", and by mythology legends such as "The Bewolf" and others.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:20 am

The Elder Scrolls is just Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings with some crazy lore added to spice things up.
I mean look at Solitude, it feels and looks like The Eyrie / King's Landing (Game of Thrones). Whiterun is just Edoras (Lord of the Rings) with norse influence.
But anyway the dwarves of TES are just steampunk scientist elves with beards who live in forts. Dwarves of LOTR in comparison are simply stubborn blacksmiths.