Gotta say I am really getting pissed off with Bethesda when it comes to the short sightedness of Skyrims gameplay mechanics.

1. The new kill cams should not gain them a pat on the head, That shiznu shoulda been in the game to begin with.

2. Enchanting is so freakin limited it isn't funny, If they don't fix it in a patch like they did Smithing I'm gunna rage. I can enchant a pair of cloth boots with fortify two-handed but not practicaly anything else. Cloth boots are for mages predomitatly* but I cant fortify magic, health or magic regen on boots that according to Beths own design ARE FOR THE CLASS THAT NEEDS THOSE FORTIFY'S!!

The same goes for armor, Who the hell are they that they should decide what items we can enchant with what spells, by doing this they've undone their own history in previous games. I can understand not wanting us to make boots that have +200 magick but that means they should just put limiters on the strength of enchanting.


Any other Enchanting users PO'd by this crap'ola of a short-sighted, poorly designed system?

1. yes killcams are failure, but moaning wont fix that

2. get a mod to remove the limitations and enchant anything you want. if you are on a console and cannot get it, thats your own fault. go get a pc

Yeah sure, but all of the problems can be solved by using mods. That's a good thing about Bethesda games... if you don't like anything in the vanilla game, it can (and will) most likely be changed by a mod And besides, I actually like the fact that they tried to make enchanting less overpowered. In morrowind, enchanting glitches broke the game so badly.. and I needn't say how 100% chameleon broke oblivion...

glitches only break the game if you choose to exploit them, bethesda didnt leave them there for people to abuse on purpose

in the end its people breaking their own gaming by exploiting some (possibly glitched) mechanics rather than bethesda doing it for them

Are you playing on console? If you aren't, pretty much all you said can be fixed by mods that are available. It all comes down to personal opinion anyway, and IMO the enchanting system is better than ever (and I'm glad they made it a skill.. Missed that so much in Oblivion).

1. I like the new killcams, but you are entitled to your opinion and if you want them removed that's your business. Meanwhile, I'll just keep enjoying them.

2. I like that they've made enchanting more difficult. My Morrowind wood-elf thief became a powerful mage and fighter that could fly, stay perpetually invisible, breathe underwater, etc. thanks in large part to the lack of limitations on enchanting (and the alchemy/enchant combo). But I do understand that particular gripe. I didn't realize that you can't fortify cloth boots with anything that is useful to a mage.

If he's on a console, there's a reason for that. Not everybody wants to drop a bunch of money on a nice gaming PC for a single game- I know I didn't.

the beauty there is that can do these things, that is freedom

whereas now they take that away

people should be able to choose wether they want to use such freedom or limit themselves

point there is, that if hes unwilling to get a pc to fix it moaning at bethesda will not work. period

Yeah, Enchanting is yet another failure in Skyrim. Enchanting was screwed up in the name of "Exploits". They didn't want people to exploit the system, like enchanting everything with health or something like that.

It's funny that they promote the game as do what you want and be what you want but then keep us from Enchanting what we want with certain things

So you want freedom from those enchanting limitations on Skyrim, but you're not willing to play it on PC and get mods to give you that freedom? Sorry, but everything is a choice in life. Buying an Elder Scrolls games for a console means that you're pretty much at Bethesda's whim regarding what they do to the game. Sorry, but you voted with your wallet.

No, the point is that Bethesda forced the Virus called Steam on the PC users so that some of us were forced to not buy the PC version so that we wouldn't have to install a Virus on our computers that is only used for security checks and treats us as thieves.

Hey! There's a game I like! I'm going to go spend a whole lot of money on a flashy gaming PC even though it works perfectly well on my console! Not a waste of money at all!
Your logic is flawed.

The thing is, Bethesda is supposedly monitoring the fanbase for feedback, and they mentioned at the end of last year that they'd be including "balance fixes" in addition to bug fixes in future updates. Therefore, this topic is completely valid, unless they were lying.

Ahem.. Skyrim does NOT work perfectly for console players. Millions of PS3 users would disagree about a 'perfectly working Skyrim'. And the xbox has its own share of texture-loading problems (and the zillions of quest bugs that will probably never be fixed by Bethesda).

that is true, and i hope (but not expect) that they will refrain from doing so in the next game

You failed to mention something relevant in this topic.

It's not that flawed. I think the OP is making the complaint that, in his opinion, Skyrim vanilla does not work perfectly well. So, the suggestion was, if you think it doesn't and it breaks the game for you, but you'd still like to play it if you could have the perceived problems fixed (particular likes and wants met), then you can purchase the PC version and snatch up all the mods you want to help you attain your particular likes and wants that aren't there in the vanilla version.

If, however, he would rather just complain instead of spending the money on a gaming PC, he'll find that he's just going to waste keyboards strokes. Maybe pick up a few pats on the back from other malcontents while he's at it.

I understand that not all console players have a perfect game - but neither do all PC players. My PS3 copy is fine, and it sounds like the OP's is too, assuming they're on a console.

Anywho, back on topic: enchanting has its flaws, but I understand what Bethesda are doing. For example, you wouldn't put Soul Trap on your boots. All in all, I like enchanting, much more than in Oblivion.

Edit: @The Plebian: just because you don't like something doesn't mean that the game is broken. It certainly doesn't call for a big investment like an expensive PC. Not everyone has the money to throw around to buy a
PC, money which could be better spent. Sure, I'd like a new PC, but my laptop works perfectly well and allows me to play most of the games I want. Plus I don't have the money to buy a PC and be able to afford everything else I need and want.

Well, speak for yourself. I'm happy with my Xbox version, and I'm glad I don't own the PS3 version. I wish my laptop were powerful enough for the PC version so that I could take advantage of all of those mods.

the way i see it is

you have several choices

1. pc, costs more but gives you mods to change anything you want

2. consoles, cheaper but you're stuck to what bethesda gives you


either way you know what you get for your choice, and you should accept that

its pointless to complain about something you cant change, such as limitations on the console. especially if you know you couldve averted that if you paid some more and got it for the pc

I know you mean no hate in that, but don't go saying that stuff people can take offence to that, its not really his fault for his own personal preference more is it Beths fault for not adding more enchanting variety.

Back to the Topic:
I agree there should be more variety in enchanting, but beggars can't be choosers.

Nice when mom & dad buy ya a computer isn't it Mean while us that have responsibilities have to weigh the pro's and con's on spending that kinda money and a console is usually the way that's easiest on the wallet.

Back on topic, I love the new kill cams and think it's rather nice of Beth. to have not charged us for em, seeing how they could have. But the enchanting I assumed was done that way to limit the godly stuff you can make/become( not that you can't now anyway), what I miss is being able to wear more then one ring, why is it that the dragon born can only wear one ring? Is he allergic or something?

No argument from me. Enchanting is about as dull as anyone can make it.

It's refreshing to see complaints about how enchanting is underpowered and terrible. Most of the complaints about enchanting is how it's OP and how it breaks the game.