I don't know about you, but I miss the Enclave from Fallout 2 ... and I want them back. What I am proposing is Obsidian/Bethesda create a DLC for New Vegas that sees the return of the Enclave from other parts of the country (as mentioned in the quest "E-DE my love" that Enclave are in Chicago, suggesting outposts nationwide). These other bases/outposts should say they are coming maybe from a reconstructed Navarro, or another overall HQ like the oil rig in Fallout 2, or somthing like that. But this Enclave should be just like the one in Fallout 2, not the cheap offbrand like in fallout 3. The Enclave should return to the Mojave with a newly constructed outpost on the outer reaches of the wasteland. There should be an option to join them and help them as a soldier and maybe a negotiator of the main factions of the mojave or the option to do the same for say the Brotherhood of Steel .I am not suggesting a massive campaign of controlling the mojave because it would be way too hard to make for the developers, but maybe just a presence of them being there, with thier sights set on somthing in the vicinity; maybe some kind of war between the Brotherhood of Steel and the Enclave. Like maybe the Brotherhood in California finally sends a massive support effort for those already in hidden valley, and the presence of both forces explodes across remote locations of the wasteland. that would create an easy way for the developers not to mess with the already existing stuff. The Brotherhood and Enclave should each have two or three small outposts, one Medium Mojave base, and one large base located in the west (Brotherhood) and the east (Enclave), and then have many patrols.

PLEASE BETHESDA/OBSIDIAN TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION FOR FUTURE DLC!!!!!!!!

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For the enclave to return, they actually need a plot or reason too. They shouldn't just return for a cameo, they should be one of the man organisations of the game if they ever return. Personally, I'd like fallout four to start with the player as a member of the enclave, attempting to redeem the organisation but that's just me.

No. Navarro is gone and the only outpost we know if is Chicago, which was set up by remnants moving East to DC. Enclave are dead as a Faction.

Still for a future game it would like to see the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel with General Barnaky in charge allied with Remnant Enclave.

Also there will only be four DLC for New Vegas and we already know what they will be about, for the most part.

Well I'm suggesting they are pursuing some kind of revenge with the Brotherhood.

Why? The Brotherhood had nothing to do with the end of the Enclave in Fallout 2. Enclave in DC are to far away to be in a DLC for New Vegas and have also been destroyed.

The Midwestern BoS on the other hand are in Chicago and they would not know of the Enclave and what they have done for they left before the events of Fallout 2.

I know Navarro is gone, I am just throwing out ideas. But I would really love to see the return of the Enclave. The Remnants were cool in NV, but there wasn't much to do with them.

The Enclave are a devestated organization my friend, there power has gone out in the wasteland. There power was crippled by the destruction of the oil rig and whatever strength they rebuilt in the following thirty five years was smashed in the war in DC. And what you describe aren't the Enclave they don't accept filthy wastelanders into there organization, there more exclusive then the western BoS. Even at the piniacle of there power in FO2 they lacked the military forces to challenge the NCR directly.

I suspect Fallout 4 will be in Chicago. Rothchild mentions there being a small detatchment of the brotherhood there, while as you said ED-E references the presence of the Enclave.



I had this idea where a Enclave protagonist has to go on the run after finding and putting on a pip-boy containing encrypted classified Enclave data which if decrypted would reveal a deep dark secret that could destroy the Enclave from within.


They did hunt down Enclave personel who tried to intergrate into the NCR after the Oil rig was destroyed. There's also this dialog.


And considering its been only forty some years sense Fallout 2, I think word of the Enclave could have crossed the wasteland. Especially given east coast BoS knew where the MWBoS was.

In any event I doubt the Enclave would play nice with the local brotherhood or vica versa.

Well what about some sort of Dispute on how the wasteland, technology, motivations, ect. are pursued? As I said ... just throwin' out ideas.

All signs point to them being gone as a real power.

I would not mind coming across old abandoned military bases with Enclave informations or more remnants like in New Vegas. Other then that they arn't/should not come back as a large faction.

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Well in Fallout 2, you kind of sneak your way into becoming a part of the Enclave. Or maybe "desperate times, desperate measures".

I say ... All we know about is outposts on the west/east coast ... There is no definite answer to the question of "Are they gone for good?"
I just want to fight a technologically advanced enemy like the Enclave, not a group of slavers dressing like Romans (The Legion).

We know there are still remnants out there. Chicago and Augustus's people. Still we know from the evidence from Fallout 2, Fallout 3 and New Vegas that they are done as a major power. They will not be coming back for a New Vegas DLC.

If you want to play a Fallout game where you fight powerful enemies, I recommend Fallout Tactics and use Real Time.

I only have Fallout 2, 3 and New Vegas ... I'm just hoping for somthing kinda like the plot/gameplay in Fallout 3, but with a feel more like Fallout 2.

I would say the "California Enclave' is just part of the whole shadow society......like parts who is sponsored other than Poseidon Energy, or simply disprove the Richardson line, or even become Confederates.

obviously a DLC would take u into a new zone where some plotlines could emerge

here are a few ideeas :

for the Enclave lovers : u go to a zone where u meet a chapter of some enclave cell that is focused on surviving and rebuilding they're faction

for the enclave haters : u do some quests for them but in the end u compromise the expansion of the chapter and have them running away

they are already in the battle for hover dam , so i dunno how they could play a bigger role then to actualy come in full force and take the dam , tought the game could have had an ending for BoS faction or Enclave , or even Super Mutants

The Enclave were somewhat regrouped in Arcade's quest. It's a small number for sure but the appearance of them at New Vegas was probably also a sign to other remnants that they still exist (and eventually they may regroup...especially if Arcade managed to find out about the enclave post in chicago from ED-E). It really depends on what is canon. You also have to remember that over in the Deathclaw Promontory there was an enclave member. Which brings to question why were any of them suiciding into a place like that? The member had plenty of chance to turn around after seeing what lied in the area but he/she didn't. There was also only one of them (to my recollection) and the enclave travel in patrols. So where are this person's other members. Also the body wasn't a skeleton (if I remember correctly) making this a very recent event.

I don't think the enclave can be counted out just yet. I doubt we will see them in future dlc though unless the Divide is home to the California enclave remnants. Ulysses might also be a member of the enclave or the enclave might appear in OWB dlc (maybe a small squad trying to take tech or activate a weapon?). The likeliness though is that they will appear in a future fallout game rather than the dlc for New Vegas. New Vegas has always been about Legion and the NCR in the grand scheme of things.

time will tell if the enclave grace ourselves with their presence in the future.

I ve never even played fo2, but I know they wanted to kill every human on earth that was not pure 100% old world dna human. That leaves everyone out but them.

The Enclave does not care about some garbage tech, or for being forced into loving you. They hate you, they would like nothing more than for you to die. Why bring them back as a faction that they are not.

People got mad at Bethesda for bringing them back at all. You want then back again already, and to take you on? YOU ARE A MUTANT TO THEM!!!!!

Well based on New Vegas it seems as if the remnants aren't nearly as picky as they used to be. I think if the enclave do reappear that they will have a slightly different philosophy (or pretend to). either way eventually the remnants will get together and probably create a new faction. they've lost twice. the old enclave and its philosophies are dead. if they return at all it won't be the same faction...probably.

Did you not read my earlier post? In Fallout 2, you sneak into becoming a member of the Enclave. Plus, how are they supposed to gain recruits? Also ... as an orginization that just lost control of 2 major locations, you would think they would be a little more open to new initiates.

They will destroy you! They're coming!

Well old soilders are one thing, but it Enclave has a leader the leader will be the one who decides. I think it would be really hard for real Enclave with a leader to think of the people of the wasteland as anything but mutants.

Now if old soilders get together it would be different, but they are getting really old. Something drastic would have to happen, and I don t think people will like it.

I wouldn t mind seeing them come back at some point, but they need to rest for several games IMO.

Regardless of whether or not its possible for them to come back as a major threat, I hope they dont.

Rehashing the same villains endlessly is boring.

Rehashing Villains? if we were rehashing them theyd need a new president to follow and a petro chico oil rig to operate from in two sun, To be fair however the enclave is mostly dead east coast and west coast as for chicago its likely that ED-E is very old or the recording is since nash never says how long hes been on the counter he could have been there a while ( i could be wrong ) but even so technically what if this DLC were about as opposed to enclave vs bos it was about a pairing of the two from vault zero minus barnaky and some unholy pairing of like the illuminati or mj 12 i mean over used sure deus ex being around as long as it was but still who knows how many un found enclave vaults there are or how many private built ones i mean theres absolute crud tons of stuff you could pull from for a dlc featuring the enclave but then everybody seems to think its wrong to ::REHASH:: proven villains, but people still go see new movies of gi-joe and transformers so its a formula that works and well apparently since you can never kill enough decepticons or cobra vipers