It's not to much to want to know when your defective product you sold us as new will no longer be defective? I work in a game store, you guys are getting an awful rep for this. I had over 20 people return it between our two stores yesterday... this is what happens. Fix it please, and for god sake let us now when and if our old files are good, I feel like I'm telling my employees how to do their job here, you guys should know this. Pleasssssssssseeeee give us something on this besides your generic company line.

I would love them to say something about this. That's all I want to know. Will I be able to play my game or should I move on. They told us to revert to an old save but what will that do? Allow us to play the first 8 hours again only to have the same issue pop up and make our new save unplayable? This is ridiculous. I'm a huge fallout really devoted fan but after this, my loyalty is being tested. This is horrible customer support.

The PC already got their patch. News is popping up everything about it. Where's the love for the 360 which has the most severe issue.

if patch isnt here by the weekend im gonna be really fumed, i thought this developer to be much more spot on than this.

Microsoft has some funky requirements for patches. It takes 1-2 WEEKS for a patch on the Xbox to get through the MS crap and get distributed.

hmm well then i guess a lot of people will be taking back, i know if my save file gets erased ill take it back. i sold all my dlc loot tho so im hopin im safe. patch should come out soon hopefully, hopefully not two weeks!!!!

while MS does have to give it the OK, they havent even said that the patch is done and sent off.

That's not exactly true. When the Pitt came out for the 360 and it was broken, a new version was up that day. For something as major as this, they would waive a few requirements to get it out to the public faster.

What's been said by others is correct; while patches can go out to PC and PS3 relatively quickly, there's a rather long and endearing checklist for getting patches to game on the 360 that Microsoft watches over severely, which leads to long delays. For example, the patch for a problem within the game Modern Warfare 2 was made for PC, 360, and PS3 at the same time, but the 360 didn't get its patch until two weeks after the PC/PS3 version because of the process Microsoft has for patches.

I think we are losing site of the issue here. We shouldn't HAVE to rely on patches to make the product we purchased work. What about the poor souls that don't have Xbox Live? (oh yes, they are still out there) They aren't gonna be able to fix all they're problems with a patch. The advent of online patches and DLC has become a crutch to developers allowing them to ship a shoddy product and say "We will just fix it with a patch." We pay ALOT of money for these shiny little discs. The least the developers could do is to make sure it's at least PLAYABLE. I'm stuck at level one with 227/200 xp for crying outloud!! If you purchased at Gamestop if you [censored] and moan you can get a store credit refund. I call for everyone to take back their copy if you feel as strongly about this as I do. I am not one of the lucky ones who hasn't encountered any bugs. I think I got em all. Let's see....there is the whole level one thing, we covered that...extreme lag whilst just running through the desert with nothing around, enemies falling through the game world, god awful loading times even though the game is installed on my hard drive...the list goes on and on and on.... I can't believe such a great series is being dragged through the mud.

this really is ridiculous..the fact that a game in this shape is even released..i dont blame anyone for returning it..and i feel bad for the ppl that can get a patch when its finally released..what really bothers me is they had to know about the majority of these problems before the game was even printed so why in the world put it out there at all..and why not have some of the patches ready on releases day..this is very sad..

Patches (0-day and otherwise) have been a part of gaming forever. Hell, even old console games (snes, etc) had bugs that needed patching, and they couldn't be fixed until MUCH later due to the fact it was on read-only media!

As TC said, I'd like to hear something out of Bethesda about this. It'd be great if gamers could get some free DLC stuff out of this but even a personal apology (other than a 2 line "sorry for the inconvenience, we're working on a patch as fast as we can") from one of the company reps or game devs would be great. I spent a good chunk of change on this and I wish I could actually enjoy it! Even Fallout 3 didn't crap out as frequently as this one has been and I've had some pretty terrible glicthy experiences on that game too.

Please Bethesda, fix this!

I don't disagree. As I said though they have 'become' a crutch. Sure there were games that needed patching....but I never played a nes game, or a xbox game, or any other sort of game that it was possible to level up in, and NOT been able to level. My point being before the widespread use of online patches developers had no choice but to take the time needed to make a game, test, test, and retest it and THEN release it because if it svcked that was the end. No patches, no firmware updates....if you made a shoddy product people knew it, heard about it, and avoided it like the plague. Now a developer can put out a game too soon to meet their deadline...or whatever reason it was put out early, and get away with it. Thats all I'm saying.

If I'm a beta tester for Fallout New Vegas, I'm pretty pissed I had to buy the software to beta test instead of getting paid to do it.

And that, basically, is what is going on. Talk about 'open' beta.

if it was open it would be free....
but instead they charged us $60 or $80 (pending the Version you bought) for a useless shiny frisbee.
When did AOL buy them out?

HA

Everything Darth Cannabis said is my view exactly. I stated pretty much the same thing in a post in another thread. I at least feel somewhat better now that I finally figured out how to go onto Xbox LIVE Silver (or "Free") so that I can now DL the patch when it's released. Game developers really need to stop putting so much emphasis on release dates and more on the quality of their products though. This is the worst I've ever seen, and I have a horrible feeling it's merely a sign of things to come.

This is the first time I've ever experienced a game so broken that it's unplayable at release. I've seen issues pop up down the road that are a hindrance, but never something so bad that it simply doesn't play (the save game corruption we have) especially on this scale.

Does the PS3 version have this issue? I'm half tempted to buy that version if it doesn't.

What i dont get is how one person's game can be so bugged that the game is unplayable (like mine, on 360) and the another be virtually bug free. Like my brothers, who also has the game on the 360 has only encounter the strip gate being locked, which he fixed by taking the monorail into the strip. After which the gates where unlocked again.

More than likely because you didn't play the same way, do the same things he did, have the same followers, equip the same weapons....it could literally be anything like that. Pebbles and ripples man. Pebbles and ripples.

grrr that just makes me angry, if there is no word of the patch and what its fixing by tomorrow im returning this garbage and waiting for Fable 3.

Tuesday! woot!

This has been my most anticipated game this year, and though mine has finally arrived, I'm wondering now if I should even bother to fire it up when I get home from work today, or if I should wait for the patch-- I'd hate to get into it only for it to become unplayable. I really feel bad for people who were in the situation I was in at my previous apartment where I couldn't access Live because of horribly slow wireless only internet. What do those people do? I preordered CE but probably would not do so again because of this. Hopefully I am one of the lucky ones and have few issues.

Anyways, from reading other boards, it seems the Debt Collector quest is a serious problem-- seems like killing a certain character results in the game crashing if you try to access the Strip.

I mean it would be just as epic as FO3 if only it weren't riddled with bugs. Now as far as I can see not EVERYBODY is experiencing the really bad ones so maybe you will get lucky. If ya wanna play it safe just wait for the patch/patches. If ya wanna chance it dive in man.....just watch out with that Weathered 10 milly and for God's sake......"Save often, and in different slots."