In my book, my friend, you would be written as a serious player, not because you have played everything to its core,
but because you immerse yourself in the experience at the time of playing.

Thank you for all the posts.


As serious as a heart attack .

Appreciate the humor, my friend.

i think they could have added more to the game. the armor is lacking they actually took away slots again, they didn't need to get rid some of the spells just because they didn't do anything combat wise, and they didn't have to dumb down the stat selection to just magicka health and stamina it also couldn't have hurt to keep in spell creation. but above all the game is great and certainly worthy of the title The Elder Scrolls

What defines a "serious TES player"? I Invest some heavy time into TES games, more then any other game series. I'm not very knowledgeable with lore, but I would still consider myself a serious tes player.

So is this something like the Dinosaur Club in the Fallout section?

Alright because I agree that this game needs to be taken a certain way. Anyone can go buy it, turn it on, get all the trophies/achievements, do A LOT of quests, and "beat" the game but TES is not beatable IMO and you really are given a complex tool to role play with. I won't say that you cannot play this game correctly that way BUT anyone who is casual and turns it on just to veg is missing out on some pretty nerdtastic stuff. If someone get a little special feeling in your gut when you think about the game itself or its elements (lore, story, books, etc.) then I would say that someone really loves TES.

I feel this is the exact definition of verbal diarrhea

It's a forum.

I feel that you are wasting your time. Nobody is going to stop doing something just because you don't like it.

Also, I consider myself to be a serious TES player. Though you and I will most likely disagree on what is considered serious, and more importantly who exactly is the authority on determining "serious" when it comes to video games.

That′s very true, certain games make a mark in your mind due to the feelings, emotions they instilled at the time (it′s like your first crush...). I am one of those people who will forever hold Fallout 2 over the later Fallout games. Despite the fact that in so many aspects Fallout 3 and NV should be better games than Fallout 2...Fallout 2 had broken quests, companions that blasted you to pieces, the extremely overpowered eye-critical, glaring inconsistencies in the story and ridiculous random difficulty when it comes to encounters and events...Fallout 3 is obviously better balanced, does not have broken quests and is visually superior...but in my subjective opinion Fallout 2 will always be better.

Well this game does draw me in more than any other franchise out there. I have logged five thousand is an exaggeration its been about three thousand hours give or take. I have made dozens of characters with their stories branching into the lore of the series. No game has ever captivated me to that long not even Fallout 3 or NV. I do feel like I make my roleplaying characters connect with this world therefore I do as well. This is a video game experience like no other out there.

I guess i should have stated what my definition of "serious" gamer is to me.

My fault.

For me: I think about what I am going to do just about 5 minutes before I fire up the game.

I grab a bottle of sammy adams best beer, and settle in for a lengthy session.

I get down and dirty with the game. I sit in whatever town I am in, and decide on my quest.

Am I going to fast travel? (I might)..... (I might not)

Will I even look at my quest tab?

Usually, I go wherever the game "pulls me to". For that to happen, I have to pretend I am "the guy" (Bruce Willis fans unite).

To be "the guy", I gotta put away the fact: that I am even sitting at a keyboard with a mouse, and that that beer sitting by my side
is actually IN my inventory, and I have it strapped to my waist in the game.

So, I guess my definition of serious is .....compared to other games.....I don't know. No other game gets me in this mood.

Exactly. I am so biased towards OB, simply because it was my first. And yes, I do wear the rose-tinted goggles when talking about OB because of how much time I invested into it. But ultimately, you are right, I think it comes down to which one you played first.

Then, serious as a heart attack. Enjoyed your write up.....well put. So have been the other posts.......all excellent, save a few "one liners"...

Obviously, you are bothered. Why would you make this post otherwise?
Oh, and this game will not end for me. I have no interest in mods. Didn't bring anything that made the experience more fun in either Morrowind or Oblivion.

You now have my definition of serious for this thread.

Good post by the way......I just honestly miss the good feedback.....it's how communication is really opened up, and I fear is lacking in these forums.

Just sayin'

I suppose if you mean bothered = don't agree with people that don't open up more communication.....then, yes.

Your post does not come across as bothering me.

Because you are opening up communication.

The one liner posts that say basically, "go away", are certainly effective. Those are the ones that BOTHER ME.

In this case I only meet a few of the qualifications to be a serious TES player, I do plan my next move often times during the loading screens when starting the game. However, I don't focus so heavily on the things that many claim are the key to immersion. I play in 3rd person most of the time, though strangely this doesn't break immersion for me, and I have no problem with checking my quest log or compass to guide me to my next quest. I still feel as if I'm roleplaying and always consider my moves carefully weighing consequences of my actions from a realistic point of view, for example I play an assassin but I'm still very careful about getting caught doing anything (even though bounties are easy to pay off). Idunno, it's tough to explain. Does anyone feel 1st person is an absolute must for immersion? Or do any of you play in 3rd person and still consider yourselves immersed?

I guess you could say that.
Forgive the typos on a smartphone here.

This game does pull you into it like no other to be sure.
There is nothing else like it on the market, and no game ever has the staying power that this franchise has.

I created this forum account to discuss my favorite series of all time and voice what I think should be improved. I also come here in the hope that Bethesda will hear our joined pleas on how to improve their flag ship franchise with new content and genera ideas and I want to voice my concerns with the bugs in their product.

I would classify that as dedication to a brand and its company.

I suppose if you mean bothered = don't agree with people that don't open up more communication.....then, yes.

Your post does not come across as bothering me.

Because you are opening up communication.

The one liner posts that say basically, "go away", are certainly effective. Those are the ones that BOTHER ME.

Nah, it's just state of mind for me.....has nothing to do with what I see on the screen. I am in the game.

A lot of people want to discuss (considering this IS a forum) about how serious they are about this game. A lot want to bash it. Some people compare it to earlier titles or different games. Some want to give there feedback in to add game play features. Some people don't want to explain why or how they play because it's up to them anyway. I see a lot of unneeded hostility on this forum.


I indeed want to discuss Skyrim, hence why I am on here, but sometimes I don't understand why people are overly serious about talking about it. Sure we can all debate about things but in the end your up here and reading what people say.

I see the OPs point in the fact of the childish posts of Skyrim Rocks and It is Soo Kooool with no real feedback to add seems like a waste of typing and someone wanting to be heard just for attention on the internet. At the same time the OP makes him/herself sound like an elitist a** when trying to get their point across. People are twisting the OPs post and not seeing what they are trying to say at the same time. But this is what you get when a company goes mainstream and attracts all the kiddys around. I have no problem with those childish posts, I just ignore them and do not click on it as another poster already said.

YEAH IM A KID AGAIN

Now I might be able to play for as long as I like.

Well, it does come across as it's bothering you. I'm probably just misunderstanding then. Anyway, the one-liners will always be apart of the forums. Some are on here just to read what other people have to say and some are here looking for an argument. Nature of the beast I guess.

Sadly a lot of people just pick fights instead of discussing or even some tempered debating. I lurk a lot and post when I feel I want to say something and cross my fingers that I'm actually contributing to the discussion.