Yeah, most Nords aren't. But a good few of them are.

Depends if the Scottish and Irish also ran the natives off their land and could be found acting like jerks to immigrants in the name of "Scotland for the Scots".

But anyway care to give a list of things the British did to Scotland and Ireland that the Empire is also doing to Skyrim (um history?)? And Skyrim as been part of the Empire for quite a while now, and the Empire is usually pretty tolerant of the cultures in the provinces (let the Dunmer go on with slavery but didn't actively try and stop the Twin Lamps for example).

Banning Talos - he was a deity of the Empire, not just the Nords. And the Empire wasn't enforcing the ban till recent events forced them into in order to honor the treaty.

u can just wait late at nigth and u can thrown down with him and earn urself soem gold

I like the racism in the game, adds a layer of realism instead of some "we're one big happy family" crap. Also, I think the kajitt not being allowed into citys has more to do with them being drug dealing hippies than anything. I've never got the impression that cats arn't allowed in cities, just THOSE cats. I think a traveling band known for dealing illegal drugs woud be baned from entering any city no matter what race they are.

yep, and i like the idea of the argonians not allowed in the city due to the fact that thye and the dark elfs hate each other more than situation of Nords and dark elfs, to i dunno prevent anythign getting riled up and whatnot.

Racisim is rife in the land of Tamriel.

"Morrowhiners" seem to hate "Oblviots" and let's not even get started on the "Skumrims".

They can't even agree on how to sort each other out with one screaming PC is the only way others insisting Consoles are superior and yet even more insist there can be no punishment without MODs.

Still, they're not always at each other's throats, often taking regular breaks to belittle the people who created the game in the first place for their lack of telepathy and failure to cater to individual and personal taste.

I'm still unclear which faction to join.

Too busy playing the game I guess.

Azrael
The Nord with the Sword

Join mine our policy is simple... game... game on a PC, game on a console, game with table top games just game and enjoy each and everyone for their own merits and never force any into competing with each other because at the end of the day it doesn't matter all that matters is gaming pure and simple * nods nods*

I've always hated the Dunmer and this is one of the reasons why.

It's only good that racism is a part of the game.

R.A. Salvatore made me despise all dark elves probably forever...

No. (Well maybe racial attributes)

Skyrim isn't racist, some of the characters are. Big difference.

Keep the races SEPERATE and you will never hear of "racism".

Besides, its not a sin to be for your own people and have your own land and be only with your own people. If you do think it is, then your a hypocrite. The reason why is that to call something "racist" against you or some other race is to acknowledge that there is a difference of race to begin with. So, your racist for calling other people racist.

We are all racist. Get used to it. Its a part of life and all the social brainwashing will never truly get rid of it.

That was kinda racist.

Because of the good Dark Elves he made or because of the typical Menzoberranzan citizen kind of Dark Elves ?

Can differ between some, some hate the idea of good dark elves and some simply hate the evil ones because they're massive pricks.

I seem this is appropriate for this topic..


Did you see those guys from Hammerfell? They have curved swords, curved sword!?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Brunwulf_Free-Winter

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Brunwulf_Free-Winter

Ok, for one thing, the Imperial Legions in Skyrim are mostly made up of Nords who were recruited, as the Cyrodiils (Imperial race) couldn't spare too many of their own people from the Imperial Province. So that means that the civil war is basically between "the Nords who are still loyal to the Empire" VS "the Nords who are not anymore".

Secondly, the Empire was founded by a Nord (Talos/Tiber Septim), and the Nords have always supported the Empire, even way back when during the first Empire of Men, founded by St. Alessia after they all defeated the Aylieds together.

Three, the MAIN REASON for the civil war is to help the Thalmor, as they instigated it for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of driving a wedge between the Nords and the Imperials. So that they can have a better chance of defeating them all in the next Great War.

And four, the Imperials were pretty lax in their institution of banning Talos worship, as they hated having to agree to that law after the Great War with the Thalmor. However, when Ulfric Stormcloak started the civil war (nudged into it by the Thalmor) and made a big fuss about wanting to worhip Talos, it gave the opportunity for the Thalmor to send their soldiers into Skyrim to investigate whether or not the Nords were still worshipping Talos.

So no, it's nothing like how the British oppressed the Irish and the Scots. The Nords are literally killing each other, and trying to drive out the Empire that they almost always had a huge hand in forming (ie-war against the Aylieds for the first Empire, Talos/Tiber Septim for the third), all to help the Thalmor in the end.

Racial devide is higher than ever, can white people even get jobs anymore ? It's been so long since I had one.

The Argonians are not racist, per se. Their hatred of Dunmer is quite justified by the game history. Admittedly, not every Dunmer in the game came from Morrowind, but most did, and are old enough to have been complicit in the enslavement of Argonians (and others). The Dunmer have a similar justification; the Argonian armies pretty much destroyed Morrowind.

Prefer the Dunmer, they not racist, they hate everyone...equally. even themselves . remember the Dunmer from Oblivion? "you're a traitor to your own race!" . i do have one question though, if the Dunmer have been in Skyrim for awhile now, why are there not any Velothi/temple style tombs? Im not living in my home country but i still adhere to my faith and beliefs and such?which is i suppose generic western culture, the same we have had for the last 3000 odd years but still ...the Dunmer, well all the respective races come across as folk who would stick to their individual rituals and such.am i making sense?

Excluding the fact they lost their armies in Cyrodiil and will most likely be unable to rebuild them. Remember elves have a long life span but they dont reproduce as quickly as humans.

I cant walk through a market withough a dozen guards following me saying "stay out of trouble redguard"
this is what makes me join the dark brotherhood..

That's an interesting response. I was not referring to 'slavery', or people saying "yeah the Dunmer are cool with their slavery". "Slavery" and 'racism" are not the same thing, although it has been rolled up into one subject in North America for over a century. Slavery existed in ancient Egypt and Rome. While slaves in those places were undoubtedly treated with racist acts, racism is not slavery and the act of slavery as an act is not necessarily because of racism. Prisoners of war were made slaves, regardless of race, in dozens of cultures. In Rome, one could even sell oneself into slavery for a time, to pay off debts.

But regardless, I did not speak of 'slavery', and that's not the same as 'racism'. The Dunmer "you're not one of us" attitude is racist. Racism isn't just a thought process or act against one particular race or hatred against a race for no reason. The term 'racism' has been concentrated so much by the 21st century that we have lost the meaning as being separate from many other associated social issues. I've even heard "he's racist against my tattoos", and apart from being a funny comment, it's depressing. But enough of real life.

In the game, with such a minor link to the actual cultural mores and sensibilities (or lack thereof) of the nation of Skyrim, the game developers need to use a heavy hand to make differences in characters plain to players. I feel this is why so many players cough up the 'racism' comment. If the way characters acted was subtle, then most players wouldn't ever know the NPCs attitudes or thoughts. They need to be vocal or else the player would be lost and guessing as to what the NPC stood for or against.

It's also interesting to me that nationalism is called 'racism' in the context of the game, but that's another subject

another interesting comment, by Pistolero:


Actually, from your description, they are not Social Darwinists, they are National Socialists. A fair amount of racism springs from the premise, both in terms of their standpoint about their own race, and how they can justify their actions against other races. Example: the three Justiciars you may sometimes meet on the road. They reveal themselves to be arrogant, assume they are the superior race, and delight in the fact that they can do whatever they want, under law, if you don;t agree with what they think is best or if you reveal yourself to be of a certain group.

I realize that religious overtone makes the example imperfect, but then again hardly any comparison is 100% perfect and the real world example has a religious link as well as the social one. The brass tacks are- superior based on race, and in a position of power to persecute based on that attitude. To me, that is not Darwinism but a brand of fascism built on National Socialism- elvish nazis, in other words.