George is at it again : Othor Games

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:11 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/star-wars-changes-on-new-bluray-release-freak-out-fans-2347642.html

New tinkering with an old favorite.

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What's your opinion on tinkering with a past title? Is it more "ok" if it was something that you created?
Would it be worse or unacceptable if Lucas Arts legally acquired say... the Star Trek franchise and altered the original series on its Blu-ray re-release?

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:09 pm

Guy just never learns to leave well enough alone. :shakehead:

Now if you ask me, the creator is certainly entitleed to tinker with his own work, but that doesn't necessarily mean he should. A writer can certainly make a sloppy retcon to a story, or make a character's personality suddenly do a 180 for no reason, but that doesn't mean it's going to make for a good story. More than anything else, the lack of consistency shows just what a lousy writer the author really is.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:31 am

The "Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!" sounds a bit cheesy, but the CGI Yoda, if done well, could be a genuine improvement. Not bothered either way really.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:06 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/star-wars-changes-on-new-bluray-release-freak-out-fans-2347642.html

New tinkering with an old favorite.

What's your opinion on tinkering with past title? Is it more "ok" if it was something that you created?
Would it be worse or unacceptable if Lucas Arts legally acquired the Star Trek franchis and altered the original series on its Blu-ray re-release?

Updating certain graphics into a 1:1 translation wouldnt be so bad. Especially when poor implementation in the first place dates whatever movie is in question. For example, I wouldn't mind if Cameron went back and made all of the stop motion Terminators in T1, into CGI. but it would have to be a 1:1 conversion, and done well. No ad libbing like the re-release Star Wars back in the late 90s.

Im waiting for Lucas to come out and say American Graffiti is getting CGI contemporary cars and music and Ron Howard is getting CGI replaced by Carrot Top.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:35 pm

I have multiple copies of an unaltered Original Trilogy, so it doesn't bother me too much. I'd still love to see the original theatrical releases cleaned up on Blu-ray and given the amount of attention his silly alterations receive, but it's pretty much a lost cause at this point. :meh:

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:00 pm

...For example, I wouldn't mind if Cameron went back and made all of the stop motion Terminators in T1, into CGI.

I actually would mind...
First because I doubt they could achieve as realistic an image (including reflections)... But also for the same reason I'd not want them to replace all of the skeletons with CGI in Jason and the Argonauts; or the Kraken, and Medusa in Clash of the Titans. (I do consider the new Medusa scene in the re-make, inferior to the original :rock:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg5TZqJvG6M

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:20 pm

I actually would mind...
First because I doubt they could achieve as realistic an image (including reflections)... But also for the same reason I'd not want them to replace all of the skeletons with CGI in Jason and the Argonauts; or the Kraken, and Medusa in Clash of the Titans. (I do consider the new Medusa scene in the re-make, inferior to the original :rock:)

It would be a whole lot more realistic than the spastic stop motion. Another example would be in The Man Who Would Be King. when they show the Mountains and its like a matte painting and just doesnt look good. Marring an otherwise perfect movie. Replace that with some nice CGI and take out Huston's ridiculous Mountain montage.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:29 pm

I wouldn't care except Lucas has yet to release the remastered originals without all of the "enhancements." Heck, I don't think you can get the un-enhanced originals in widescreen on DVD or Blu-Ray. He's already done all of the work, the original film was remastered before they added the CGI, so all he needs to do is approve the release.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:05 pm

Also included are an altered sound that Ben Kenobi makes in Star Wars (aka A New Hope)

Digitally remastered flatulence?

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:57 am

Ha, George has lost it. Obviously he can do whatever he wants with his franchise but he has arguably made it culturally irrelevant.

And, no, I wouldn't change anything in the sci-fi classics. Stop-motion, puppets, miniatures and the like are part of the charm, part of their soul so to speak.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:29 pm

It would be a whole lot more realistic than the spastic stop motion. Another example would be in The Man Who Would Be King. when they show the Mountains and its like a matte painting and just doesnt look good. Marring an otherwise perfect movie. Replace that with some nice CGI and take out Huston's ridiculous Mountain montage.

Case by case basis I guess. Some can benefit, others would be marred I bet.

In Star Wars (and other works)... I'm fine with effects improvements, and attempts to correct errors, but not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity, never that.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:27 pm

I actually would mind...
First because I doubt they could achieve as realistic an image (including reflections)... But also for the same reason I'd not want them to replace all of the skeletons with CGI in Jason and the Argonauts; or the Kraken, and Medusa in Clash of the Titans. (I do consider the new Medusa scene in the re-make, inferior to the original :rock:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg5TZqJvG6M

I wouldn't want them to redo terminator with CGI, because the stop motion just seemed to amplify how inhuman it is.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:42 pm

Case by case basis I guess. Some can benefit, others would be marred I bet.

In Star Wars (and other works)... I'm fine with effects improvements, and attempts to correct errors, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity, never that.

yeah, the retconning is terrible. I dont like the CGI additions either. Especially since Lucas went over the top slap stick child comedy with it. Like the Mos Eisley scene, or the singing alien in Jabba's Palace. It started getting 1941 campy.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:57 am

Case in point: nothing has ever or will ever surpass the genius that is The Thing and it's incredible effects. Not cgi, nothing.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:56 pm

Case in point: nothing has ever or will ever surpass the genius that is The Thing and it's incredible effects. Not cgi, nothing.

Now that was over the top, old school gore. even though some of it is dated, like when dudes head gets eaten by the other guys head and hes flapping around in the air.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:34 pm

Case in point: nothing has ever or will ever surpass the genius that is The Thing and it's incredible effects. Not cgi, nothing.

Not even http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfuNSpP0RA? :teehee:

I really liked the Thing, and I don't think that I would like a modern reworking of it.
(But then... I did not like the reworking of Dune either ~and Dune's original effects were embarrassing ~but... had a kind of character to them. :shrug:)

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:22 pm

Ha, George has lost it. Obviously he can do whatever he wants with his franchise but he has arguably made it culturally irrelevant.

And, no, I wouldn't change anything in the sci-fi classics. Stop-motion, puppets, miniatures and the like are part of the charm, part of their soul so to speak.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:19 pm

Now that was over the top, old school gore. even though some of it is dated, like when dudes head gets eaten by the other guys head and hes flapping around in the air.

I know, right? Chests ripping apart and eating hands, heads growing spider legs, craaazy stuff done very well.

Not even http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfuNSpP0RA? :teehee:

I really liked the Thing, and I don't think that I would like a modern reworking of it.
(But then... I did not like the reworking of Dune either ~and Dune's original effects were embarrassing ~but... had a kind of character to them. :shrug:)

I prefer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL199i0mKrs

Dune's effects were eh but I really liked the production design.

Anyways, I've lost all my respect for George. I think he should stop tinkering with his toy and just let it be. Do something else. A new sf like THX maybe, I dunno.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:42 pm

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

I am glad I still have the orginal VHS box set of the the first three.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:42 pm

Being a foolish teen whose opinion doesn't matter when concerning Star Wars, since I wasn't born when they were originally released (and the fact I like the prequels, which is blasphemy) I believe that as long as these alterations are well done, they'll enhance the experience :shrug:

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:47 pm

Ha, George has lost it.

Did he ever have it? This is probably just another outing for his control-freakery.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:02 pm

Don't fix anything that isn't broken, for goodness sakes! :brokencomputer:

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:02 am

Did he ever have it? This is probably just another outing for his control-freakery.

American Graffiti and THX are both awesome imo. It is tho' kinda ironic that the best SW film (V) is not even directed by him.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:51 pm

American Graffiti and THX are both awesome imo. It is tho' kinda ironic that the best SW film (V) is not even directed by him.

American Graffiti is my all-time favourite film.

I wouldn't mind Lucas tampering with it as long as he doesn't make it worse. It took Ridley Scott a few goes until he had the perfect Bladerunner version.

» Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:53 pm

I like some of the changes they've done over the years. A few extra creatures here, a few spaceships there, as well as some alteration to colour.
But changing content I don't like. I hate my DVD release where Darths ghost is that of young Anakin.