please...the only reason he saved the world and endend up a ghost was so he could get in buffys pants and brag about it angel, thus making him an ass. buffy and angel were 2-3 steps from twilight. (buffy more so than angel). Granted Angel wasnt that bad, and they were more in line with vamp lore, thank god angel didnt sparkle, but to me it had it whiny moments. Cordeala this, faith that...buffy youre here? OH NO my son wants to kill me..... If angel woud of manned up and started out right killing and going after the bad guys thing would of been a lot better. he IS a vamp too....
then again when it comes to vamps and vamp lore, i prefer the "underworld" and "blade" series.....althought i hate snipes......
Uhm, I was referencing to the period when he constantly teased Angel since the both of them just couldn't evade each other. By that time, I was growing out of my teenage years and already dropped Buffy TVS. I just liked how he acted like an ass, it was funny to me.
And well, BTVS and Angels are both series meant for teenage public, so of course there's the cheesy romantic stuff and whiny moments. Besides, all vampire shows have their bad parts; Blade was the typical testosterone-filled macho with a 'tragic' past, and Underworld had a bit of a Romeo & Julia vibe with vampires and werewolves pit against each other for some reason.

In fact, the genre severely lacks a show wherein they'll rather fight tactically and psychologically. I always thought vampires were masters of manipulation ...
The cave where spoiler: clavicus vile's shrine is? They want a cure to their vampirism though?
If they didn't immediately attack me upon first sight, I probably would've helped them. I know a certain guy who's able to do just that. And then I really could thwart Clavicus' plans. It's too bad really.
And I assume Clavicus' talk won't change if you let them all live somehow (by sneaking past or using Calm) ...