Everyone, and I mean everyone except those for whom correctness of language is an inexplicable priority, says 'bored of'. I have to say this : if this is a problem to you, tough. If someone says this, you know exactly what they mean. It is an almost universal phrase. If you expect everyone to adhere to your standards of language, how the hell do you get from one day to the next, sane? Or have any person who can stand your presence and admonishments enough for you to call them 'friend'?

Pointless thread.

Pics or it didn't happen.

lol

Yet, ironically, an astute observation that brings closure and completion as I finish reading it.

Old English (Around 1000CE):

"Cnut cyning gret his arcebiscopas and his leod-biscopas
and Turcyl eorl and ealle his eorlas and ealne his teodscype,
twelfhynde and twyhynde, gehadode and l?wede,
on Englalande freondlice."

Middle English (Around 1400CE):

"Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;

Early Modern English (Around 1600CE):

"From fairest creatures we desire increase,
That thereby beauties Rose might neuer die,
But as the riper should by time decease,
His tender heire might beare his memory:"

Modern English (1850CE):

"Miss Lucretia Mott suggested whether it would not be well to make some arrangement for the publication of the address of the President. She did not propose to review the sentiments advanced; they would be responded to generally by the friends of reform. There were two or three expressions in the address and in the call for the Convention which she did not fully approve. She thought it might be construed as a profession of too great gentleness in discussing this subject. She thought they should find it necessary to take an antagonistic position, and to meet the prejudices and opposition of the world with directness and an earnest expression of the truth."

Modern English (2010CE):

"I don’t want to talk to a scientist, ya’ll MF lying and getting me pissed, solar eclipse and vicious weather, 15,000 Juggalos together and I love my mom for giving me this time on this planet, take nothing for granted, I seen a caterpillar turn into a butterfly, miracles aint nothing to lye, shaggys little boys look just like shaggy and my little boy looks just like daddy, miracles each and everywhere you look and nobody has to stay where they put, this world is yours for you to explore, it’s nothing but miracles beyond your doors,"

Nu English (2200CE):

"derp."

Firstly, it is not at all true that 'absolutely everyone' says 'bored of' - maybe in your circle of friends specifically, but this is definitely not universal. Secondly, I think you are taking this just a little too personally. If you use it incorrectly, then so be it. I find it odd that you feel it is necessary to resort over dramatic ad hominems because someone disagrees with the way you think.

It's not as big a deal as you make it sound - maybe it would be more useful to have less drama and a tad more rational conversation?

Incidentally, there are a great many people who can 'stand my presence' ... that made me lol ...

You make a good point about the social view of grammatical innaccuracies, but I do tend to think that this point is somewhat overstated. I have spoken to someone who is the head of the English Language & Linguistics department at a prestigious British university, and they have said that self-expression and eloquence are far more important in a personal statement than correct grammar - I don't even get penalised for "misuse" in the essays I submit here. And let's not get started on the fact that "correct grammar" is purely subjective. To boldly split my infinitives and end my sentences with prepositions is what I strive for!


I would argue that who/whom changes the meaning just as much as your/you're though. In fact, I would say it changes it even more. If you see an adjective or participle after "your", you know they meant "you're". If you see a noun you know it was meant to be "your". If, on the other hand, someone says "He bit her." in conversation and I reply with "Who?", I want to know who the man is. If I say "Whom?" I'm asking for clarification about the woman.

You said earlier that "bored of" irks you; how does "of" change the meaning from "with"? Many adjectives can take different prepositions, and because I hear "of" more than "with" nowadays, I probably say it more too. Familiarity will subconsciously change what you say unless you make a conscious effort to be different, but I don't see the point in that myself if it doesn't affect the meaning. You'd say "I'm free of him" instead of "I'm free with him", right? There, "of" is being used to mean "in regard to" (or "with regards to" ) and I don't see anyone complaining.

Still, what you say is true; prescriptive grammarians do still exist (those who prescribe and proscribe what should and should not be said), but I myself fall into the other camp. Descriptivism seems much more natural to me!

Make me wonder what's in store for 3500CE.....

Thanks for the laugh though. After the night I had at work last night, I needed it!

I'm with the OP on this one. I hate to see sloppy grammar, and what makes it worse when other people just say "Oh so what?!" as though incorrect spelling and poor grammar are somehow acceptable and even laudable. They're just defending their own low standards.

1 does make sense. The state of boredom derives from Skyrim. From might not sound right, but grammatically is IS right. And of both sounds and is right.

@Psymer, apparently you are correct, but I don't see from your explanation why "tired of" should be acceptable and "bored of" not.

As for "Politics And The English Language", if you think this is the sort of thing it is referring to, I urge you to read it again.

Now I keep asking myself: "why can't those who uses the American dialect like me be more eloquent and articulated like the English?"

It makes me jealous sometimes!

I guess the simple answer is that diversity is a good thing.... that or you guys didn't smack us hard enough in the head when we were colonized by His Majesty's Empire.

English isnt evolving, its stagnating. Now before YOUR all come raging, every language changes with time, and written language must be brought up to date. <- which english speaking countries dont do. With time, written and spoken english will be completely different = Chinese. Actually this time is already now. Olredi nao. There is basically no chance of correctly decoding a word if you havent learn its pronunciation before. 基本上是有没有一个字，如果你还没有学习之前，它的发音正确解码的机会。

You make a very good point here, regarding 'tired of' - maybe that was different too at some point in history, and perhaps there was someone like me being woeful of it's use!

I know Orwell was not writing in relation to this, but I did find that particular statement very interesting - and applicable in general. There's a lot of research in psychology about how the use of language in power relations as well ... all very interesting stuff.

Methinks this thread may be moved, since we're a little off topic - still, it is interesting to see the different perspectives on this

On a personal note, it kind of tees me off that I spent all this time learning English, and now I'm stuck watching in horror as the native speakers do unspeakable things to its every orifice. I do reserve the right to use the Oxford Comma though. [censored] you, if you try to steal that from me...

Haha, I wouldn't overestimate the articularcy of the British public, otherwise you'd get quite the shock if you ever came over here!

We can't all be lyrical wizards like this coherent young gentleman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6lupC6WyE

Booyah! Gotcha!

Yeah, well, anyway, that is a great essay.

I realized you were right when I went to google that Samuel Johnson quote and realized he actually said "tired of London"

[censored]... Somehow I feel lucky I couldn't understand a good chunk of what came out of his mouth.

You are in the right. I made a personal attack, this is not acceptable behaviour and I apologise unreservedly. I just think 'grammar nazism' in an age of internet- and text- speak is a total waste of everyone's time.

This dude jumped straight out of the pub and placed himself right in front of a TV camera.

Crazy thing is, even this redneck from Texas could understand him.... mostly.

It's not a dialog error, it's a subtitle error. If you're relying on the subtitles for all dialog, then it still isn't that big a deal.

I mean come on, it certainly doesn't go to the level of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFggtype dialog problems...

I honestly wouldn't have cared if it wasn't that horribly common your/you're mistake. Really, really gets to me tbh, and is usually due to an actual misundestanding as opposed to an honest mistake

lol ... yup, even anol people make mistakes


No need to worry - we all get upset to different degrees about different things. As I mentioned before, I try not to be too strict about these sorts of things - sometimes just having discussions about things (like here in this thread), can help us to think through things

Any game this size always has some minor typos in it.