Grammar check in Solitude

Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:11 am

This is lame, I know, but it bothered me enough to register and post.

In Solitude, in dialogue I "believe" with the Jarl's steward, there is incorrect use of "your". Something along the lines of "if your willing to do such and such" instead of YOU'RE.

Should Bethesda ever be inclinded go grep "your" in their (notice correct use of "their" :smile: ) dialogue files, which I'm probably laughably assuming are available on some sort of UNIX system which may be grepped, please give a big shame-shame to the grammar nazi department for missing things like this. Spell check is not enough.

Clearly this is incredibly important and all work should stop. Do, however, consider that "your" dialog is the only text that a whole generation of middle schoolers is reading, so the future writing ability of a legion of up-and-coming nerds is depending on you.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:57 am

ok now your just nit picking friend. also i didn't notice this at all and im normally vary perceptive

this is a small thing that beth wouldn't pay attention to its semi unnoticeable grammar fix for god sake :P
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:43 am

Turn off the captions and YOUR problem is solved. YOU'RE making too big a deal out of a simple mistake.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:06 pm

Oh noes, let's just drop all the issues with CTD, lag, broken quests, disappearing textures, game breaking bugs, bad voice acting, unbalance and the shafted Khajiits, Destruction and Spears to fix a thiny whiny little mini nano issue like "Your/You're"
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:48 am

I don't know about this but I've noticed misspelling in some books; don't remember which ones though. Of course it's important but nobody's perfect, are they? ;)
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:39 pm

well, at least it have an easy fix for it.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:37 pm

With all the lines of subtitle dialog that was injected into this game, I'm surprised there isn't more discrepancies that were found.

I normally overlook these types of petty "bugs" (if you want to call them that). I would be more concerned over issues like shadow rendering on my PC and how badly my Skyrim brethren over on the PS3 are suffering.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:52 pm

Well, if you want to get that anol, the game is missing a couple of full stops/periods and snowflakes aren't unique in shape. I've seen several repeated ones.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:26 pm

I concentrated on my duty as a dragonborn, not an English Teacher dude
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:28 am

WOW! Glad I didn't see that. It would have totally ruined the game for me! :biggrin:
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:32 pm

ok now your just nit picking friend. also i didn't notice this at all and im normally vary perceptive
Now, I may be blind, but I see what you did there : D
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:56 pm

I don't think it's lame at all to point this out. It is a strange thing though - this sort of thing (your / you're) bothers me a lot ... probably a lot more than it should, but other things ... not so much. So I guess it is a matter of valuing the use of language in a 'relatively' correct manner, or not caring at all. I would be happy to settle on a middle ground though.

That is, things like saying "I'm bored OF this" is just so wrong it makes my teeth cringe - and the same goes for the whole "your / you're" thing - also grates my nerves somewhat.

But, things like starting a sentence with 'but', or putting an 'and' after a comma - this does not bother me at all. The great thing about the english language is its ability to constantly evolve. I like that a lot - but yes, I do think the fact that so many people get the most basic stuff wrong (which essentially changes the meaning of the sentence), is not a great thing.

And ... I don't think I'm being anol about this - it's all about balance :P
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:15 pm

I guess this shows just how little testing this game went through. It annoys me that this game has such a huge budget but they can't even get someone to proofread the subtitles. :facepalm:
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:14 am

The great thing about the english language is its ability to constantly evolve.
/off topic

Call me a pessimist, but I think our shared language is "devolving" rather than evolving. Ever since phone texting with shorthanded writing was invented, the English language (both the Queen's and the American dialects) is degenerating in grammar, spelling and punctuation placement. But I degress....

/back on topic
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:37 pm

snowflakes aren't unique in shape. I've seen several repeated ones.

I lol'd
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:21 pm

I guess this shows just how little testing this game went through. It annoys me that this game has such a huge budget but they can't even get someone to proofread the subtitles. :facepalm:

yeah, this definitely ruins the gameplay, you should stop playing this game ASAP
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:38 am

That is, things like saying "I'm bored OF this" is just so wrong it makes my teeth cringe
What's wrong with that?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:36 pm

/off topic

Call me a pessimist, but I think our shared language is "devolving" rather than evolving. Ever since phone texting with shorthanded writing was invented, the English language (both the Queen's and the American dialects) is degenerating in grammar, spelling and punctuation placement. But I degress....

/back on topic

To continue with the digression...

Most eminent linguistics nowadays agree that all languages are in a constant state of evolution; language cannot "devolve" unless it ceases to be used. Over history, some people have tried to solidify and concrete language - the most notable example being L'académie fran?aise for the French language - but what, really, is the point? Our language is not becoming less intelligible. With the internet, there is more solidarity in language and therefore communication, as generational and regional gaps in dialect are bridged. I'd rather learn a new word that has its own specific meaning (slang still does enrich our language) than preserve the apostrophe. All that apostrophe denotes is either the omission of one or more letters or possession. But letters do die out as words evolve - if we kept every apostrophe, we'd be' writ'ing lik'e th'is.

Therefore, on topic, OP should stop complaining. I'm sure there are many intricacies in language that they fail to adhere to; maybe they write "who" when, conventionally speaking, "whom" is correct? But "whom" won't exist in 100 years' time. And I doubt "they're" will either. To try and fight against that would be try to swim against an insurmountable current.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:48 pm

everyone loves your, you're is too much of a hassle to type! :D
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:57 am

I find the pronunciation of the "W" in sword far more egregious.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:21 pm

To continue with the digression...

Most eminent linguistics nowadays agree that all languages are in a constant state of evolution; language cannot "devolve" unless it ceases to be used. Over history, some people have tried to solidify and concrete language - the most notable example being L'académie fran?aise for the French language - but what, really, is the point? Our language is not becoming less intelligible. With the internet, there is more solidarity in language and therefore communication, as generational and regional gaps in dialect are bridged. I'd rather learn a new word that has its own specific meaning (slang still does enrich our language) than preserve the apostrophe. All that apostrophe denotes is either the omission of one or more letters or possession. But letters do die out as words evolve - if we kept every apostrophe, we'd be' writ'ing lik'e th'is.

Therefore, on topic, OP should stop complaining. I'm sure there are many intricacies in language that they fail to adhere to; maybe they write "who" when, conventionally speaking, "whom" is correct? But "whom" won't exist in 100 years' time. And I doubt "they're" will either. To try and fight against that would be try to swim against an insurmountable current.

I can fully respect your input, but try selling this to the employer who's looking over an 18 year old's work application.

I don't care what it evolves to within (or in excess of ) a 100 years from now. What matters is what's currently being taught within our grade schools. What matters is here and now... and how our language(s) evolve in their future use is irrelevant to me.

Grammar and/or spelling errors are simple errors to fix, such as what Bethesda could be doing with their subsequent Data patches that are rolling out.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:47 pm

everyone loves your, you're is too much of a hassle to type! :biggrin:
IT'S NOT TRUE! /me commits suicide.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:04 pm

Therefore, on topic, OP should stop complaining. I'm sure there are many intricacies in language that they fail to adhere to; maybe they write "who" when, conventionally speaking, "whom" is correct? But "whom" won't exist in 100 years' time. And I doubt "they're" will either. To try and fight against that would be try to swim against an insurmountable current.

I agreed with most of your post - particularly the L'academie thing - I have lived in France and I found one of the great issues with communication there, is that if you do not say the word absolutely correctly, people do not seem to comprehend what is being said (I had put this down to intransigence, but it happened when people were being nice too!). This is one of the reasons I love the flexibility of English. You don't have to have an exact pronunciation to be understood ... but I digress too.

I disagree that the OP should stop complaining - I think he/she makes a valid point, since the misuse of your/you're changes the meaning of the sentence. As I said, it's about balance. To substitute 'whom' with 'who', does not change the meaning.

Either way though, everyone is entitled to say their piece - in whatever manner they choose :P
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:31 pm

I find everyone in a game having perfect spelling and grammar ruins my immurshunz. And I find people complaining that a not exactly child rated game might have an effect on children's education ruins my immurshunz in the real world.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:38 pm

What's wrong with that?


OF = Derived or coming from; originating at or from
WITH = In regard to (obviously also means in the company of etc)
  • I am bored from Skyrim
  • I am bored with Skyrim

2 Makes sense, 1 does not.

It's about change of meaning - this is why it is incorrect. But, as you will see if you do some reading on the subject, this 'bored of' use is becoming very common, and I canne fathom why.

George Orwell had something interesting to say about this sort of thing:

"Modern writing at its worst does not consist in picking out words for the sake of their meaning and inventing images in order to make the meaning clearer. It consists in gumming together long strips of words which have already been set in order by someone else, and making the results presentable by sheer humbug. ...When one watches some tired hack on the platform mechanically repeating the familiar phrases, one often has a curious feeling that one is not watching a live human being but some kind of dummy."

Not saying anyone is a 'tired hack' btw - it's just an interesting piece which for me rings true, after reading through countless forums.
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