There. I said it. It has been lingering in my mind every time I watch a preview gameplay footage or look at the screen shots.

The graphics look pretty much the same. Animations are improved but are still very mechanical looking. Things look better that is a given. I just don’t think they were improved enough.

I understand they are limited by the engine. OK.

Bottom line is the graphics look dated.

Graphics have come a long way since 2008.

I always hear the argument “this is an rpg, I don’t need such flashy graphics.”

Well, it is 2010. The bar in the gaming graphic department has been raised.

Bethesda should deliver a product within that ballpark, no matter what limitations they are working within.

I’ll still buy, play, and enjoy, but I just wish this Fallout go a bit more of a face lift.

Is that expecting to much?

What do you want to them to do? Is this just to express yourself? If you want it to be released next year feel free to dream all you want but it's not gonna happen.

If you want the game this year, or even next, then yes.

I guess Fallout: New Vegas will be an example in "Can gameplay and writing trump graphics in mainstream gaming these days when sales are concerned?"

Honestly graphics are nice but it would take extreme modification of the engine or an entirely new one and thats all work that could go towards good gameplay.

they dont look dated they just look classic

I don't find the graphics, and animations (especially in the new footage) that bad. In fact, I find both FO3 and NV rather beautiful, but hey, it's subjective. But aside from that, you make it sound like Bethesda (Obsidian) owes it to us fans to work their butts off for stunning graphics AND optimization to go with it. I mean, they do use gamebryo for a reason. If it weren't a gigantic, free roam game with a lot of unique NPCs and dialogue, then yes, graphics could be amazingly better. But the thing is, for a game in this scope, years must be spent developing an engine to handle all of it.

Is that expecting much???? YES!!!!! It takes time to increse graphics! Obsidian had like what.. 2 years?

Put your "rant" in paragraph from! Not line form!

I don't expect them to do anything. Like i said what we see is what we get.

I understand "we are under time constraints."

I just don't understand why a further graphic update was not implemented. They made a choice of what things they would update when at the start of production.

this is a follow up to a GOTY. It isn't some small indy game with a tiny fan base.

It is getting mass marketed to be a potentially huge seller. Everyone knows the mass gaming public like shiny, flashy, graphics. So why did they decide not to improve graphics more?

I believe gameplay to be more important than graphics. I would love to hear "Fallout: NV didn't look that good but its gameplay was great and really svcked me in." But that sounds like something a fan would say.

I just thought that the improvements in graphics and animations didn't look impressive. I've read this numerous places.

I don't know why so many fans are such a push overs in the graphics department. Why cant a game look great and play great. With a game of this caliber I didn't think we'd have to choose either or.

Is anyone really impressed with the graphics?

The graphics are good enough.

Not all of us need 2048x2048 high res textures, DX11, and all that jazz to be able to enjoy a good game.

Unless something majorly amazing happens within two years of a games development from its predecessor I don't think graphics make huge leaping bounds of improvement (OP prove me wrong with some examples to make your point)

Take for example Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask

Majora's Mask used an updated game engine from Ocarina of Time and still wasn't that much of a graphical improvement (Ocarina of time being released in 1998 and Majora's Mask being released in 2000)

Not to mention the time, manpower, and vast amounts of money it takes to produce cutting edge graphics (does Bethesda, or even Obsidian) have that kind of cash?

Exactly as I expected.

Because that was the how the project has always been presented - to see what Obsidian could do with the FO3 engine/etc.

It was never meant to be FO4.


(And, personally, I think FO3 looks great. So I expect that FO:NV will as well.)

when i hear this i think:


this dude is excited for fallout 4!!!!!!!!!!!

ya, i feel you!! i do!

but this is also FOR the original makers of fallout...

they get to make a great game, which is their original game, in a improved engine (if you've seen even fo2).

fallout was never about the graphics... ever!

that's not why i buy a game...

if you want great graphics, they will have an option for that . that is, if you have a PC, because consoles can't handle that much info.
you have to remember, there is graphic code, and gameplay code going through the BUS at all times....

either a game spends it on graphics (meaning low gameplay code) or on gameplay (less for gaphics)
it also has to share with sound...

make a better console and you will get better games...

or just buy a PC

Well, first of all, I am pretty sure everyone (except for a select few) would love really awesome HD graphics. It's just that we, especially as fans, don't care if they aren't amazing and impressive. It seems like now, with this game being developed by some of the original creators, the game caters much more to people who are already fans. Couple that with time constraints, engine constraints, etc. it just doesn't make sense for a major graphic upgrade.

Also, I don't think any one is, but I know plenty of people don't think they are bad or even mediocre, including myself.

Yes, go away.

I just hope the girls don't have man hands anymore...

:thumbsdown:

Really? I think the graphics are amazing for such a massive game. Obsidian did an excellent job working with that engine. It may be a little dated, but they squeezed every drop of awesome that they could out of it. Graphics are at the bottom of my concerns list right now.

tap tap!! (that's a good thing for those who don't know)

Yes.

Ha ha. I new alot of people would give me [censored], but hey just my opinion.

I'm going to pay alot of $ for this game. For Fallout 3 you buy the game, plus all DLC, you're pushing close to a hundred bucks.

I had never spent that much on a game before. If I going to pay the big bucks I expect and equally good product.

Like I said, I'll buy it, play it, i'll enjoy it. I just don't really think it competes with contemporary game graphics.

Completely happy with how the graphics look. Only thing is in some of the gameplay clips some of the outfits seem a little too clean. But it's all early and being worked on.

is just 2 years, if u take a look at mafia and mafia 2 ( seven years ) everyone expected that mafia 2 would have much better grapich,
fallout 3 and FNV is just 2 simple years cmon. :dmc: :run:

I think the graphics are fine, but they are actually 2006 graphics not 2008 graphics.
Fallout 3 looked a bit dated even in 2008. I had some PS3 games that gave more wow factor than F3 was able to in the grfx department.

But that is not what I care most about in the case of NV.
NV better have the best damn story ever, with all I've heard about how great obsidian is at RPG's.

Alpha protocol was smack. svcked really, really... really bad.

The only thing I wish for that I know I won't get with NV is improved character animations.
I can't play F3 in anything but FPS mode since it just is all wrong, the way the character treadmills through the whole game.

Overall F3 was a good bit of fun, if a bit depressing at times due to the color scheme.
Looks like NV is going to redress it a bit, add some color, and I hope it is fun with a deep storyline.

Crysis it will not be though, in the grfx department.

I can live with the graphics in New Vegas, and don't get me wrong, I like good graphics, I'd be lying if I said that I don't want to see images that look good while playing the game if I had a choice between those and images that don't look good, it's just that I don't really need the best graphics to enjoy a game, I mean, I still play 2D games sometimes, sure, they don't look as good as modern games, but if the gameplay still holds up, I can live with that as long as the graphics aren't actually painful to look at, and it's not like New Vegas is going to use Fallout 1's engine, while the graphics are of course dated compared to modern games, I'd say that Fallout 3's graphics would still be acceptable in a modern game if it does not aspire to be technically groundbreaking. As to animations, though, I would like to see those improved from Fallout 3, since you don't need a new engine to make better looking animations, plus, bad animations have the potential to ruin good graphics, just look at Morrowind with MGE and lots of graphics mods installed, sure, it seems like it's come a long way since it was released with high resolution textures and high polygon models and distant land and all that, but as soon as a character moves, you know it's still the same game you played back in 20whenever it was released. Likewise, good quality animations can actually do a lot to make a game that is maybe not technically impressive look much... I wouldn't necessarily say better, but definately more believable, still, the videos I've seen so far haven't led me to expect that much of an improvement compared to Fallout 3 in this regard, though I guess it's possible that the animations seen in the videos I've so far seen aren't the final versions, I'm not sure how likely that is, though.

Now once again, I'm not saying a new engine, or at least an enhanced one, would not have been nice, but I can live with things as they are, and since Obsidian did not need to program a new engine, it did give them more time to focus on the gameplay and content of the game, which, considering the limited amount of time they had, is probably not a bad thing, and I'm sure that when Fallout 4 is made, Bethesda will make a much larger jump from what we have right now in technology. Once again, New Vegas is not so much meant to be a game that starts from scratch to completely reinvent the series, but rather more of a spinoff that works off of what Fallout 3 already established and seeks to enhance it.