I quit wow because I got sick of the min-maxing. I enjoy elderscrolls because it can be played at any speed.


e: grammer is hard from a phone.

Tried that potion thing, totally borked my game. I killed everything in Whiterun and then reloaded my save to before I ruined it. Problem solved, no reason to "fix" anything. I guess if you don't have the self control to keep from abusing them it might be a problem. Though folks who fall victim to these exploits are more than likely the same kind of people who can't find the droids they're looking for.

I prefer to cast conjuration for free, use soul trap on dead corpses to get the skill to 100 in 20 minutes, then dual cast dremoras and let them do the killing for me. Now I need some followers with summon dremora staves. A God has to have style.

I really don't get the explot deal.

I took my smithing to 100 because I wanted to and I have a really good bow. I have been doing enchanting more and more. still have not gotten it very powerful. like 36% to my archery is best I got.

I am bored by the circle jerk of drink alhemcy potion to make better enchantment to make better alchemy.

bethesda should fix NOTHING related to buffing through enchat/smith/alchemy.


I told myself I would up my alchemy, but frankly I have don't want to make a 1000 crap potions just to get better potions. I played up to level 49 having a ball.

"hey bethesda, my ______ falls off after I whack it a 1000 times, can you fix that?"

these types of threads are kinda dumb, without any cheating whatsoever you can make a real powerful avatar, with low magic costs, powerful enchanted weapons, apparel and potions, thats all without any type of cheating or exploits, if you choose to make a powerful avatar you can do it already, so these "exploits" aren't really that significant, they don't really make that big a difference, what you really want is for bethesda to nerf their game for everyone in order that some people won't "cheat" well there's no such as cheating really in a bethesda game, its like giving someone a ticket for speeding on their own race track, ROFL seriously, its a game, you're suppose to be able to become a powerful mage or warrior if you want, or you can stay a weakling, bethesda doesn't really nerf their games, they usually let you get pretty powerful if you want...who wants to play a game where you're at level 50 and you're getting you A## kicked all over the place. so don't worry about what "exploit" someone else is or isn't using.

This is so stupid, why exploit such a Bug when the Game is allready so easy. Fightting a Dragon? Just drink a 50% Potion you can buy at a Store. Even on Master the Game is balanced around the Character having no Stats from Magic Items at all.


One of my Warrios ended up 3 Hitting Giants on Master at Level 35 without any Enchants or Alchemy, needless to say when i enchanted my own items with 80 Enchanting(no need for 2 Enchants on one Item)and 5/5 Enchanter and storebought 25% Fortify Enchant Potion, that Playtrough got boring fast.

I would rather have them fix that the game is easy when playing by its Rules, instead of taking the Time to fix Bugs that dont affect anyone except those who want to abuse anyway.

Like others said, its a damn SIngleplayer Game. If you want to cheat or exploit you will allways find a way in these Type of Games.

So you want to have Bethesda fix something you have to choose to use or can choose to avoid because your such a snob you told your brothers theyre playing wrong and not min/maxing their perks, like you claim to be sick of and like this game cause it isn't needed and ruined their characters for them? No they didn't ruin their characters, you did by whining about how they are doing it wrong and messed up thier enjoyment of the game.

Far better then time spent on glitches that have to be constantly watched out for with lots of saves to reload to previous points when a quest breaks.

I have no idea what you're talking about, so there's no way for me to use this exploit, so I guess you achieved your goal.

Bethesda already announced that they would be fixing exploits in the game, and it looks like they already tried to fix the bookshelf duplication exploit and failed miserably.... Im guessing a perk reset option will just not happen because people would just use it to min/max their characters further.

What I don't get is why I am getting negative feedback, when all I did was
1. Make a guide to Min/Max your character in the best way possible, and 2. Ask Bethesda to fix it... They would have decided to fix it whether or not I asked in the first place.

I also think its better if everyone knows about it so that people don't end up wasting their time making Min/Max Characters that are not actually Min/Maxed because they didn't know about this exploit...

the exploit for wearing 2 sets of armor should not be fixed. it simply saves the hassle of switching from the destruction/restoration armor reducing set to the conjuration/alteration reducing set. sometimes i want to use summons, sometimes i want to cast lightning, but in order to do so, i have to keep switching 4 pieces of equipment to do so, it's silly. if i hot key the armor, then i will have to open the book||inventory to switch spells||weapons, so that doesn't work either.

i agree on both counts - it's single player so it doesn't affect anyone, time is better spent on more important bugs. it is an excellent tool for people who want to get the most out of the game for the least amount of time invested. it's not game breaking either - it's one of the trivialities that if you didn't know, it wouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for the step by step guide, I'll be using it on my second playthrough to get the Oblivion Walker achievement that I may have screwed myself out of on my first playthrough.

Definitely should not be "fixed". It's not broken, you can't accidentally do any of these exploits so you only have yourself to blame if you use them.

You understood that? It seemed like a lot of jargon to me, mixed with some assumptions on player knowledge.

I edited it slightly so its easier to follow by removing the (Make a Restoration Potion) instruction ... however with all the information their it would only take common sense to figure it out.

these so called exploits don't make any difference really, seriously, so even if every exploit was closed off somehow, it wouldn't matter, its part of the game to be able to make a godlike character, so not sure what the problem is, i think some people have the obsidian type of thinking, limiting the character bigtime, i just don't ever see bethesda making a game that limits your choices of what you can do or how you play, if you're complaining this game is too easy to become powerful, maybe bethesda games are not for you. i play lots of bethesda games and skyrim is similar to their other games as far as combat and dealing with enemies, you always get to become a "wasteland god" if you want...this isn't WoW where everything cool gets nerfed.

it seems ive only gotten this to work so far using 5 peices of enchanting apparel including circlet/falmers helmet with 29% alchemy on them I will test further

Exactly. Play as you see fit. it is single player after all. Nice exploits, though I wont use them.

levelling fast is not a good thing in TES imo

Try playing on Master difficulty without using any skill enchants or skill potions other than what comes on unique items like the masks, archmage robes, white phial, etc. The game still is not hard if you grind, but it is at least a bit more of a thought experiment to create godlike characters and those characters tend to feel more unique.

There are many other self fixes posted in various threads here, but I like this one since it is simple and effective without much frustration. I use some other things like no autosaves and no compass etc, but that is extra stuff and also more on the frustrating side. If you are just looking for a balance fix, master difficulty makes up for the imbalance due to you being the only one with access to smithing and removing non-unique skill enchants and potions makes skills, perks, unique items, and character design choices in general feel much more like defining choices and less like roleplay makeup.

I don't understand all this exploit hype. Everyone knows how to do them, everyone knows they're optional. Personally I only tested the smithing exploit, but then I turned to actually making useful items to boost my skill. Otherwise I have not done any crafting - on any character. I live off the ground, the game is very challenging on higher difficulties as I'm always fighting with mediocre equipment with no enchantments.

Not that I wouldn't or couldn't do enchantments, I just never liked the soul gem system. As for enchanting itself, I have no idea how it works. I'm sure I could do enchantments and still enjoy the game, though. Normal gameplay does not lead to exploits.

As for alchemy, it's just not my style. I never liked having to stroll inventories to get that small boost to fight this mook.

So i tried the exploit with 5 peices of 8% enchanted alchemy equipment and only 2 points in the first alchemy perk and it worked but it took about 25-30 potions I might be able to do it with one less perk

not as if bothering to tell beth to not patch it will do-they gotta listen to the ppl with no impulse or self control ()_()

>fix this
>implying this is a major issue that should be "fixed"
its not game breaking, there is more important things that need to be fixed

ROFL, why are you worried how someone else plays? it might ruin the game for you if you do it, but its not ruining my game, the broken magic resistance is what wrecked the game for a lot of people.

Many people choose to use these exploits to have ultimate character RP freedom.

You want to be a monk who wears no armor aside from the Gloves of the Pugilist? Go right ahead!

You want to be a knightly character who uses only steel and nothing else? That sounds great sure!

You want to be a Redguard complete with dual scimitars, a head wrap, and Hammerfell garb? Yeah that is totally possible!

You get the idea.

Why limit the RP potential? With certain existing issues (fortify restoration potions) people can create a single piece of armor to hit the armor cap. This allows such great aesthetic freedom that would be completely removed if you eventually had to wear the highest quality armor in the game. It would be so boring if all my characters ended up in Daedric or Dragonscale.

Meh. I just play the game. Much more fun not trying to cheat.