http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34718

Not too much to report, it's a mod that let's you change your timescale. But it also temporarily sets the timescale back to 30 whenever you sleep, so you won't wake up dead if you're using hardcoe mode, I thought that was worth posting a thread about. I've added a dynamic timescale option inspired by forevernomad's Immersive Timescale mod that lets you select different timescales for interiors, exteriors, and combat, by default set to 1, 20, 1 respectively.

The latest release (r1.2) gives you the option to have the hardcoe mode needs rates slow down when you lower your timescale. It also provides independent multipliers that can be used to adjust the hunger, dehydration, sleep deprivation, and sleep restoration rates, so you can tweak how quickly you become hungry, thirsty, tired or rested.

I've also set it up to be compatible with Ambient Temperature (your dehydration rate will increase proportional to temperature). Look for a compatibility patch in the next day or so.

Recommended Settings:

Dynamic Timescale
1/20/1 interior/exterior/combat timescales
HTS scales with timescale
Hunger Multiplier 3.5
Thirst Multiplier 5.5
Sleep Deprivation Multiplier 5.2
Sleep Restoration Multiplier 0.4

OR

Static Timescale of 4
HTS scales with timescale
Hunger Multiplier 3.5
Thirst Multiplier 5.5
Sleep Deprivation Multiplier 5.2
Sleep Restoration Multiplier 0.4

I remember someone posting an issue with deaths hardcoe mode caused by a changed timescale. Nice work on that fix. And the other features too!

Yeah, it's kind of weird and counter intuitive. Lowering your timescale should slow your burn rates, if anything, not speed them up. I wonder what sort of coding oddity is causing it, and if it will be patched in the future.

It's not that much of a coding oddity once you understand how TimeScale and the various hardcoe 'needs' work. Here's a post I made on the subject:

Indeed, its the same reason for why it was odd adjusting the Primary Needs rates for FO3 if you changed timescale.

So is the hydration, starvation and sleeping problems fixed or are they still in this? Cause I'd like to make the days longer, but I can barely keep up the H2O now...

What that means is that my timescale mod won't effect how long, in real time, you have to go before eating, regardless of what you set your timescale to. And since I set the timescale back to 30:1 when you sleep, the dying in your sleep bug gets avoided. I could maybe add the option to preserve the amount of gametime between meals, but my guess is the balance would be goofy. I'm in the process of making an NV version of Imp's More Complex Needs though, which determines everything based on the amount of elapsed gametime, so it will automatically scale with timescale (I think what I'll probably end up doing is setting the NV needs rates to zero, getting rid of the default penalties, and setting the needs levels via setav based on my mod's numbers - in other words just using the default stats as a way to have a visual readout of some of my mods stats.)

I'd still call it a bug, they had to know people would be changing the timescale, they should have coded it in a way that didn't require changes to the needs rates to prevent you from dying in your sleep.

Hi Imp. I installed it and am using dynamic. the game still runs vanilla, no changes

I just released an update to this. It allows you to choose between having your hardcoe mode needs rates vary with timescale, or stay the same. There are also adjustable multipliers for each of the four needs rates (hunger, dehydration, sleep deprivation, and sleep restoration) that will let you tweak these values however you want.



It's working fine for me. The version that you're using sets the timescale back to 30 every time you enter a menu (its how I fixed the dying in your sleep problem) so entering the console and typing "getglobalvalue timescale" will always return 30. Try timing 1 minute in real life, and then checking your pipboy to see how many game minutes have gone by. Otherwise I'd look for a mod conflict. The latest version though will return the correct timescale when checked via console, so I'd recommend upgrading.

everything works now except that when i rest my h20 and fod go to 1000 and kill me.

my error. thanks for this mod!

Sorry, I sort of just threw that out there without making any attempt to balance things. If you choose the "HTS Scales with Timescale" option you'll stop dying. The rate will seem really slow though if your timescale is around 1, so you'll then want to balance the multipliers so that your hunger increases by 200 in about 8 hours, your thirst by 200 in about 3-4 hours, and your sleep by 200 in 16 hours. Ok, math time. The default rates are:

1 hunger point every 25 real seconds (or every 500 game seconds at a default timescale of 30)
1 thirst point every 10 real seconds (or every 300 game seconds)
1 sleep point every 50 real seconds (or every 1500 game seconds)
60 sleep points every 1 hour slept

You want:

200 hunger every 8 * 3600 seconds = 1 / 144 seconds
200 thirst every 3 * 3600 seconds = 1 / 54 seconds
200 sleep every 16 * 3600 seconds = 1 / 288 seconds
200 every 8 hours slept = 25 / hour

That means the recommended multipliers are:

500 / 144 = 3.5 hunger
300 / 54 = 5.5 thirst (maybe a little high, depends on your taste)
1500 / 288 = 5.2 sleep deprivation (you'll just start to suffer penalties after 16 hours awake)
25 / 60 = 0.4 sleep restoration (for 8 hours of sleep per day)

Give these numbers a try (be sure to choose the "HTS Scales with TimeScale" option. It might take a little while to get there in increments of 0.05 (for some reason I was thinking you'd want to decrease the multipliers, not increase them...) but you can save time by entering the numbers directly into the console:

set ITAHungerMult to 3.5
set ITAThirstMult to 5.5
set ITASleepMult to 5.2
set ITASleepRestoreMult to 0.4

You'll only need to do that once, and you can tweak things using the menus once you've playtested it a bit. I'll give these numbers a try, and probably work them into the mod as defaults if you're using a low timescale.

*Edit - and I forgot to mention (the reason I was checking this thread in the first place) I just released a patch for http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34814 that will increase your dehydration rate based on air temperature if you're using both mods.

* EDIT - woops, I put the wrong global value names in there - if you edited via console, it should have been the ITAHungerMult, not ITAHunger, etc. Those values will need to be restored to their original values:

Either uninstall, save, reinstall, or type this into the console:

set ITAHunger to 25
set ITAThirst to 10
set ITASleep to 50
set ITASleepRestore to 60

Weird, I was sure I downloaded this the other day and installed it on my game.... Oh well, its downloaded now and even plays nice with Ambient Temperature. Hopefully more people make use of it. ^.^ Great work.

I have had the game hard crash on me when I wake up from sleeping. It happened once with 1.1 but I only sleep 2 times and with 1.2 it crashed all 4 times I have tried sleeping in Goodsprings. I am playing Normal hardcoe and my settings are 1-10-1 and I added the HTS Scaling with the 1.2 update.

It was fine during testing, but that just happened to me (once out of three times sleeping). I'll have a look and see if I can figure out what's causing the problem.

I am glad this came out even for those of us who have not stepped into hardcoe mode yet. The reason being, both in FONV and in FO3, whenever I would set timescale to 10 as I like to do, it would crash whenever I tried sleeping. Now with this nifty mod, I can leave my timescale at 10 and not have to manually change it back to 30 when I want to sleep.

Glad you mentioned that GrayeWolf. I'd gotten rid of the code that set your timescale to 30 while sleeping, since it was no longer necessary to prevent the hardcoe mode dying in your sleep. Putting it back in though seems to have fixed the crashes (I think it only crashes if you sleep/wait a long time, I was testing it with 1 to 2 hour naps no problem, but 8 or 9 hours and it crashes every time.) I'll post another update to the Nexus shortly, there's just one more thing I want to fix first.

I tried it 2 more times and 1.2 crashed both times so it crashed 6 out 6 times for me at the same location. I was trying to sleep in Sneaky Pete's second free bed (room with the teddy bear on the desk) and I set the time to 8 hours since it was about 10:30pm. I then reinstalled 1.1 using all the same settings minus the HTS Scaling of course and was able to sleep no problem so it does seem like removing the sleep timescale to 30 is the issue and glad you will have a fix soon.

One of my toons is afraid of the dark so she always sleeps or 8 hours or more and every time I would try to sleep for 6 hours or more (could be less, have not tried) with a timescale other than 30, CRASH.

EDIT: Is this compatible with Fallout 3? Or is there a mod like this already in existence for that?

If you're just looking for a dynamic timescale mod, forevernomad made the original one, Immersive Timescale, which is a bit more elaborate that my version. I got permission from him before recreating it for NV.

I've just posted another update (hopefully the last one for a while, I need to get back to work on IMCN). I put the code back in that was setting the timescale back to 30 every time you slept or waited, so no more crash upon waking up (gotta love those engine quirks). It also changes the increments for adjusting the HTS multipliers, so things should go a bit quicker.

+10 rep and a double double fistbump to you sir.

Been playing with this from the start and at first i noticed having this mod loaded before hardcoe Double Rates mod caused slp/fod/h20 to no longer work, then switching them around seem to do the trick but after checking out the console i notice the game still thinks the timescale is set to 30 with the show timescale command, the item in the inventory claims its at 10, as well as setting the set timescale to 10 command seems to work but show timescale still claims its at 30, which is a bit weird.. and i've forgotten how fast day/night moves at 30 so im having trouble telling if its actually working or not.

So with this mod I can use the console to change the timescale, without having to worry about eating 6 meals a day?

Close. Use the included menu to change the timescale, otherwise it will be changed back almost immediately. By default the needs rates will scale with timescale, meaning if you set your timescale to 5, 1/6th of 30, you'll need to eat 1/6th as often. If you want you can also tweak the needs rates via the menu's multipliers, since the rates might then be a bit too slow. I posted recommended numbers, but it's totally a matter of preference.