So I'm watching my buddy play Fallout New Vegas on his PS3. He has a really hard time clearing areas I just overwhelm. He has no real ability to dodge, his aiming is real tough and although I don't use VATS and he does I waste areas he can barely clear after many attempts. We are both on hardcoe hard but it's easy for me and very tough for him.

I have a mouse and keyboard. He has a controller. There is no comparison in an FPS.

I understand this is a sensitive topic but I am wondering how you will be able to make cross platform Rage that challenges the PC while not overwhelming the console.

I do nto see the problem with playiong an FPS on a console.

Well, some people just prefer controllers over mouse/keyboard, and vice versa. I grew up with PC as my main choice for FPS, then I got into consoles, and I've grown to like controllers. And, I was actually good at PC games, and now I'm good at console games. But, after being on consoles for so long, I've become weak on PC's, so they both just take getting use to. It also seems like your friend might just svck at the game, and I have learned that people who play PS3 aren't as good as people that play Xbox 360 or PC, I don't know why, but they just do.

He is actually a pretty good PC FPS player. He used to play lots of Quake2 online so he is no virgin. I don't understand why he does not just hook up a mouse and keyboard.

I am all over the place with a mouse and keyboard. I'm very hard to hit and my accuracy is, depending on the day, very good. NPCs in any game but Stalker are just meat. Even at low levels of Fallout, NV and 3, they are kinda easy. The only real problems are ammo related.

It would be best to buy a PS3 adapter to play co mouse and keyboard! Amazon for sale! With that you will be invincible in the console! best to play a fps!

Can you jump sideways while spinning around. I can with no thought at all.

If thats seriously your only complaint.

Anyways yes it is very possible.

its pretty easy to play FPS on console.

i started FPS games on PC, Doom, Wolfenstien, then whent hey came out, games like Half Life

once consoles went to dual alaogue sticks, it was essentially the same., one hand sontrolling movement, they other where you look.


keyboard and mouse set up is clunky
if i were to go back to PC play, i would buy a controller for my PC..

your friend just may not be used to F{S with a controller

They did actually once open up online multiplayer to a cross platform setup. It was quickly cancelled as the mediocre PC players were just owning the good console players.

Of course YMMV. I really play Stalker as my premier game and it would be unplayable, as it is now, on a console.

i dunno what youre on about here.


I am pretty sure youre just trying to troll, because hey are both pretty intuitive to use and are pretty comparable in how you move them to achieve looking and moving.
You're not going to convince me otherwise,. heres an idea though, stop making threads and posts that are designed to be devisive, its doesn't look good on you.

I think that consoles, and more specifically their controllers are only comfortable for playing either platform or third person games. Everything beyond these is, if not unplayable, at least unimaginably annoying. This is due to the fact that the previously mentioned genres evolved throughout the years on the consoles (think of Super Mario, Zelda etc.) On the other hand, the FPS, RTS and RPG genres developed mainly on the PC, thus they feel most natural when you play them with mouse and keyboard.

If we think a little bit further it appears that because of the wide spread popularity of the consoles and the fact that the entire market shifted towards them, some types of games almost completely disappeared. For example, no one is interested in developing RTS games anymore. The same thing applies for RPG games. If you think that Mass Effect or Dragon Age are proper RPGs you are definitely very wrong. In truth, they are third person action games which only create a RPG illusion. (how about Might and Magic 6, Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Temple of the elemental evil?)

I think it's totally understandable that some people want to play FPS on console instead of PC.

See, here's the thing. M&KB controls are the epitome of easy to learn, hard to master. Gamepads on the other hand are easy to learn, but easy to master. There's no learning curve. You can be as good as the best after a week of playing.

So I can understand that someone might want to play with clunky console controls instead of M&KB because they don't have the patience to practice and learn to become good with them.

I don't see moderator anywhere on your id. There is little doubt that controllers are inferior to mouse and keyboard for FPS games. You may have a problem with that. Too bad.

My problem is that for consoles to be able to play the game well it will need many things that will hurt it's playability on a PC. That is the point of this thread.

quite the opposite. i dont have any problems. I can use a keyboard and mouse just as well as a controller for FPS. thats my point.


my 360 controller has 12 buttons in addition the directional anologue sticks, 14 if you cound pressing those down.
You may be able to add more hotkeys with a keyboard. but really, at this point if a FPS on a PC requires you to use more than 14 buttons, they designed it wrong.

and if youre talking about things being ported over with your whole "console will hurt pc playability"statement, thats all the more reason to love rage.
It wont need to be a port. uit will just work well across concole and PC.

This I doubt. There are so many games crippled for cross platform play that this would be the very first undamaged by it.

To illustrate the problem I have done a little research. An xbox 360 has a processor with three cores and as far as I can tell they run about 158 bogmips per core. I have a processor that has four cores at about 6800 bogomips each. The ATI GPU on the 360 has about 26 GB/s of badwith. The GTX 460 1G I have has about 120 GB/s. The xbox GPU shares 512 MB with it's CPU. My GTX 460 has 1 Gig dedicated. The CPU has 4 Gig dedicated.

As you can see the difference is huge.

How can a game that runs well on the xbox 360 challenge my machine at all? Why do I have to run a crippled game so it can run cross platform? Well we all know the answer to that.

Please do some research about what the Id team has done with Tech 5. Realize they made it so it works well will all platforms to start with, specifically so they dont have to port it.
try and realize that making software more efficient means that you dont necessarily need to have the most robust hardware set up on the market for something to work and look great.
PC users are always on about how great they can make their machines. And thats cool. you sure can. But everyone isn't going to upgrade their PC every time a new game comes up and there is too much money in console sales for innovation that reaches a happy medium not to be tried..
Consloses also are just now starting to live up to the performance that their hardware can support. It's taken some time for programmers to re-learn how to write code to fully utilize what consoles can do now.

You have very little idea about what you say. Please elucidate further. It's kinda funny.

educate yourself..
you seemed amused when i mentioned that Rage wasnt going to be a port
listen to the tech demo for Rage where it is explained that the tech 5 engine was designed so they didn't have to port games over and they could make it work the same across all platforms.

If you think they are dumbing rage down for your PC because it is also being released on a console, then i'm not gonna stop ya.

no skin off of my nose.

Them's fighting words there. It does not matter which system a person plays on, skill is skill. But most of the time you can only truly be good on the console in which the controller feels right for you. I have a PS3 and I like to call myself a good gamer. But I can just barely get 40 kills per game when playing Black Ops on the 360 and let's just say that my ability to play TF2 on PC is... subpar. :grad:

I ask exactly the opposite, I have 1 FPS on my PC and I cannot for the life of me fathom how you can stand playing it with a mouse and keyboard.

I see the troll... but wheres the bridge and the billy goats?

In answer to your question how can you play a FPS on console: 1st you switch the console on and open the tray. Then you take the FPS game you want to play out of its cover and place it in the open tray. Then, and this is very important, you close the tray so that the console can start reading the FPS game of your choice. You then pick up your controller hit a few buttons and what do you know like magic you can play it with a controller! Magic is it not?
The main theme here PenGun is that not everyone likes everything you like and the other way around. It is generally referred to as freedom of choice. I dont trash you for not playing on a console do I? You know why? Because i respect your choice. And yes i also made a choice when i decided to post this reply. In my opinion people can play on whatever platforms they like. Get over it

Wow. I had voiced a concern that is well known. The console games are very profitable and are hurting PC games. I understand that if you design an FPS game for a console you can make it work as long as good auto aim, massive hit box and other cheats are enabled. This auto aim and the entire panoply of tricks that COD for instance uses make it a trivial toy for many of us.

It is that I expect will make the Rage PC game a pale shadow of what it could be.

yep, Rage and COD, they're gonna be identical.

:facepalm:

To play well on consoles there will need to be many similarities.

I really hope I am completely wrong. I doubt it though.