Oblivion is a cool game. (Made better with mods); I like Oblivion in the same way that I like Fallout 3.
*I generally like them best when away from dialog capable npc's (this is no slight ~its honest. Fallout & Oblivion both have wonderfully detailed environments that one can wander of into and enjoy the time spent exploring.)

I would pay 125 bucks for the next ES Title.

Me and thee... outside. :poke:

Nobody ever uses my cattle-prod :prod:

:laugh:

Just because I'd pay 200 dollars for an ES Title doesn't mean they're going to raise it.

Nothing, I shouldn't have to pay extra just to get a finished product. that's crazy.

Zero dollars, in fact subtract $30 from the price of games. $70 games are ridiculous. Bug fixing and testing is something that should be done from the start.

Here they cost ￡70 and have done for years. Bout the same as a hard night on the pub, so I don't really see the problem.

Just a friendly FYI, when you "fix" someone's post it's a common curtsey to bold the change(s)

You spend around 70￡ during one night at the pub?
Wow.. I would spend at most 100 kronors (10$), 50 to get in, and the other 50 for two beers.
Not worth it to throw away tons of money for something like drinking IMO. :shrug:


Nah it was like one sentence.
I think people can read it quick and enough and see the difference between it and the original post.
Besides, if I bolded the parts it would look ugly.

Ugly or no, it's still a polite thing to do.

But I like being impolite.
Btw, searching google for impolite: http://www.namethegarels.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Mr-Impolite-Face-w-Caption-Sept-16-2009.jpg

Haha! Bravo sir and/or madam

Fixed that for ya.

I paid $20 for the ES 4 GotY edition and felt it was priced right. There are a lot of fundamental flaws in the RPG mechanics that made me not finish the game.

If they completely overhaul the leveling and scaling systems for ES 5 I might be willing to pay more, but only after it has been released a while and reading some serious customer feedback.

:P That work to.

Fixing and testing costs $$$ - the more fixing and testing done, the more $$$ it will cost.

Shareholders need to see climbing profits, so if the price of the game is reduced by $30 then the cost to produce the game must be reduced in order to see equivalent profits and keep shareholders (the other customer) happy. Since testing and fixing is at the end of the development cycle, where budget problems are likely to occur, testing is cut short since there's no more money available.

It's a bit of a double edged sword.

I wasn't having a go. I just thought you were defendign them in a case were they don't deserve it casue we all know this isn't a ground up development. So I apologise. FONV should have been cleaner to start with. Still waiting for fix. I'm just dissapointed in Bethesda.

I would probably pay close to $30,000...

for Fallout: Hollywood

If the game cost more for more testing and all that, I would not buy it. The patches are free. New Vegas cost NZ $110 here. I'll put that in perspective. The game literally would have cost me the equivalent of a week's rent and a week's worth of groceries. My weekly income was $150, as I'm a student. Therefore I would not pay any extra for this game even if it was 100% bug free, 100% stable etc.
I'm lucky I got New Vegas for my birthday.
:cheat: <-- whut is that thing??

It's from a really old came. IIRC if you cheated during a level you go one of those in the score screen.

Kinda like in Warcraft 2 if you cheated it would say Rank: CHEATER!

For the end user, yes. For the developer it usually costs MORE to fix bugs after release than during development. There's their motivation for better testing. Especially since after the game has been released the profit has been done. Patching just eats away the profits.

Say you go to a restaurant, and order a steak, well-done. When you steak arrives, you cut into it, and the steak is rare. How would you feel if the waiter asked you "how much more would you pay to get your steak cooked right?" I know I would get up and walk out, fighting the urge to smack the waiter in the face.

In general, all companies try to reduce costs, regardless of industry or how their products are doing in the market place, but usually, if they offer a sub-par product, the product will not sell. If your product doesn't sell, it doesn't matter how much you reduce production costs, there will be no profit. That said, gaming companies have a rare customer following in that most of their customers accept subpar products.

If you bought, say, an $50.00 MP3 player, and you have to be constantly upgrading its firmware firmware to get it to play music, or if it turned itself off without warning (as in an in-game CTD), next time you buy an MP3 player, you are probably not going to buy the same brand. Heck, most likely you would return the thing before long and get your money back (which you usually can't do with games).

I am not paying anymore for games to be bug free. Matter of fact, I probably will not buy any more Bethesda titles in the future. I was set to get Hunted, but after my total FNV experience, I think I'll pass on any future Bethesda titles.

I would pay whatever price the game was set at if it was a game that I wanted to play. Even if a game cost over a 100$. If its a game you plan on spending a few hundred hours playing. You are getting your moneys worth in the end.

I would not pay any "extra".

People who are having problems with this game ( and yeah, there were alot of bugs but I found the game playable on release). Anyway, whenever I buy hardware I ALWAYS buy the best/reviewed/most common hardware, I rarely have the problems people talk about in games. DO NOT go for the 'good deals' the $20 cheaper graphics card. Get the BEST one (all around) and you wont waste your time [censored]ing in the forums.

And as one poster suggeted, just wait for the GoTY edition. No modern PC game is released bugless, if you want it at its best and least expensive just wait for it.