i thought it had some good information in it.......worth watching

Yeah i stopped reading kotaku more than half a year ago ... reddit doesn't like kotaku either.

Well yeah, that's what's really screwed-up about this. There actually is some good stuff in there, and there is some valid criticism in there. But it's all hidden behind a facade of "let's hate on Rage and let's hate on id", meaning that the valid criticism they are making is either going to be ignored by the f-a-n-b-o-i-s or is just preaching to the converted with the haters.

Ah yes "the overall veneer of hatred". Give your head a shake. Most everyone has moved on. The game is meh, hardly worth hating.

What has happened to id is distressing but there is little anyone can do about it. It's likely they will produce some more feel good console shooters now they have seen the market there. I have no idea if they will stay in the PC space but it would not surprise me to see them leave it.

As if they'd leave it dude, so you didn't like the game, bad luck. Doom 4 is meant to be much different, they kept the development teams completely seperate. They did have contact, but while amking the game, they wanted to make sure that Doom 4 wasn't just a rehashed feel of RAGE, so I think you could be surprised when Doom 4 comes out.

Pretty much everyone I know who has the game reckons it's great, and some think that it was good, but I haven't met someone who openly hates it yet, so I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be. It's got a fairly good replayibilty value for a couple of times, but Ive found that you have to give quite a bit of time between play throughs cos of the length of the game. You could end up playing it full through a week if you played a couple of hours a day, and that gives time for exploring,a nd taking in to account that you would probably complete it quicker each time.

There is no way they will leave the PC market, using the idea of "They're in it for the money", well there is still a lot of money to be made in the PC community, i think with Steam it will only get larger and more intertwined. As I said, we'll wait for Doom 4 and see what happens then. You may jsut find you've moved on from id,a nd it's not a bad thing, it simply doesn't interest you anymore. (Or at least it doesn't if they keep up this style)

I knew before I bought it that it would be just another id shooter and I would not enjoy it much. As I have all id's games I thought I would buy it anyway.

It's a run and gun, stop me if you've heard this before, oh I guess you can't, feel good, hero style shooter. There is nothing at all new just another, better Carmack engine. I would love to see an advlt and more open game made with such a fine engine and that is perhaps why I am not kind to Rage which is for children.

How did you make out with the H2H wads?

There's something quite fishy about that logic.

Some people buy things just so they have something to complain about. That's one reason places like Walmart no longer have an unconditional return policy. If they have to listen to your endless complaints they at least want you to pay for the privilege more then once.

This is seriously messed-up stuff. You're letting things slip here; it's beginning to look as though your crusade against Rage has absolutely nothing to do with Rage itself (did you ever even play it? You claim to have done so but I don't recall anything else you've said to support that claim) but is solely coming from a dislike of other events inside the id camp over the past few years. In summary it:'s "id sacked Adrian Carmack, sold to Zenimax and did simultaneous console releases of their game, so therefore I'm going to hate their game".

"It's likely they will produce some more console shooters" and it wouldn't surprise you to see them leaving the PC space? Really? Sorry but you're just making things up now. Why don't you try squaring that with statements from id that the focus on consoles with Rage was a mistake and they won't do that again?

It's OK to not like Rage, but at least try to have some real reasons not to instead of a bunch of prejudice coming from other factors and a whole heap of fabricated crap.

If you knew you wouldn't enjoy Rage, why have you bought it then?
Just for some personal nostalgia related to ID software and their "historical" achievements in gaming?
I wouldn't buy a game i expect to dislike just for the company's name being printed on it.


I love Rage for it's comic book like visuals and style. I love all of the exaggerated characters in the game that look like they directly jumped out of a classic "Heavy Metal comic" made in the 80s. I don't want seriousness or realism in a game, i want unrealistic stuff that helps escaping from the real world. The real world is what i have from morning till evening so why should i also want this in a game?

And being the good guy or hero does never get old for me. In fact i'd say most anti-hero or being-the-bad-guy games put me off as i just can't relate to such character traits.
I usually play games according to my own personal moral standards.
I know this sounds totally pathetic but i just can't help it.
For a example i never abused a little sister in any of the Bioshock games as i just couldn't stand the thought of being such a reckless bastard. Even if it's just a game.
In fact, i haven't even seen how they've implemented this in Bioshock to this day.

Btw.: I am 40 years old...

Seriously messed up stuff ... LOL. You need to get a life dood.

You showed up here when the game came out. You were not part of the fairly long discussion that occured before the game came out. I presented my reasons as to why I thought it would svck in quite some detail. Go read, I am not going to repeat myself for the likes of you. I was very close in my predictions.

It's the game stupid. I could care less about what happened to Adrian and the move to Zenimax, a company I rather like.

You just called me a liar and claimed I have not played the game. That is funny. You are getting desperate or something I guess.
All predictions are speculation. I have no idea what they will do. The fact that they have hidden from us and told us effectively nothing since the game came out does leads me to suspect "loss of face" is real and important at id. That is what makes me think they may possibly not attempt PC again. It's a stretch I know.

Very kind of you to afford the same courtesy you demand in your sig.

You love the game to a point I suspect psychological problems. You appear in several forums and spend lots of time forming, I must admit well written, long diatribes against "the haters" whom you claim are the reason the game has done badly. You have invested a lot of time in id's defense.

The game is a simple run and gun shooter with a rather pretty environment and good to excellent mechanics. That is not enough to make a good game and they did not. The reception, apart from the hardware problems that did not bother me to any extent, was not enthusiastic. The fact that you have very little choice in your actions and path are enough to conjure the COD anology which amazingly Carmack said he admired. I don't play those kind of games because I do not like them.

"Pray arm me further by your reply" Winston Churchill

Well done. I'm 65 myself.

Explain the fish ... please. I just wanted to have all id's games. Call it nostalgia if you want.

Oh right ... of course ... that's why I paid $60 for this turkey, so I could complain. LOL.

It's quite simple. We should try to think more with logic, rather than things like instinct or "nostalgia." Sometimes collecting junk is just exactly that, collecting junk.

You could've easily bought Rage for $20 and had your nostalgia... but you paid $60 for it, just to know it was as dull as you thought it would be. It doesn't seem very logical.

Good thing there are games for everyone
I too like being the good guy, and games like GTA make me nauseous, but I love seeing gibbs and destruction, and well once in a while I simply love being the bad guy, a la' Sweet Tooth.

I paid full price for all id's games before Rage. I felt after enjoying many of id's games and cutting my teeth on Doom that it was appropriate to pre buy the game. Yeah I could have waited for a Steam sale but I had no idea that the game would fail so badly and go on sale so early.

What about the fish?

It's up on the wall, next to other junk that's been collected in the name of nostalgia

With all seriousness, I also don't see the need to buy games full price, no matter how great the developers are (or have been).
Perhaps you will think twice before pre-ordering Doom4? I'd wait untill plenty of gameplay vids are public.

I probably will not buy Doom4 or any id game until it's real cheap.

I am still waiting to find out why my pre purchase of Rage was in some way "fishy".

I don't love the game. I've been quite clear on many occasions that I recognise it's flaws and recognise where it could and should have been better. I also recognise where it succeeded in what it set out to do. The two are not mutually exclusive. The fact that you choose this line tells me more about you than about anything else.

Lol it's fishy not because you pre purchased it, but rather the reason behind it, being for "nostalgia." As I said, there's nothing nostalgic about pre purchasing a game. You can buy the same game a year later, and add it to your nostalgia collection

You should pre order and give your $60 when you feel it's something you're going to love. When the trailers amaze you, when the gameplay vids show that it's f*cking awesome in your eyes. The developer being id or anyone else is a horrible reason to purchase. I for one, have yet to touch the Quake series (aside from QuakeLive), and I won't be buying them for the "nostalgia," I'll just wait for Quake5 and then decide to go back in time or not.

No Quake!!! You are missing out dude, Quake 1 was a gothic theme, then Quake 2 and 4 was Strogg (cybernetic aliens), which I prefer, adn 3 was a Deathmatch style game that is yet to be topped in terms of action pace. I strongly recommend trying them, but waiting for Quake 5 can't hurt if you're not sure.

I don't often pay full price for games, thanks to Steam everything goes on special and that's where I get them. However, I did pre-purchase RAGE, after having seen the gameplay videos. I will pre-purchase Doom 4, even if they decided to release the game without having told anyone anything about it before the release. (I love the Doom series, so it's kinda the same as my favorite band, if they release a CD, I don't check it out on youtube first, i just buy it and I get what i get, knowing I'll like it.) The alst game I can think of that is due for relase soon is Prey 2, that looks sick, I would love to get my hands on that. Other than those, i think I can wait for specials.

In terms of RAGE, by adding a couple of gameplay tweaks (such as more open world, better ending, FPS multiplayer), they will open a massive market. This would cater to a lot of peoples wants, but I have a lot of doubt as to whether that will happen. As has been pointed out, I believe GunBarrel will be the DLC, and there may be a couple of add ons in terms of aforementioned tweaks, but i believe that id Software are actually quite happy with the way the game is and thus will not really change it too much. You could tell in their videos how proud they are of it, so I'm guessing even after DLC release, the people who don't like it now are going to continue not to like it...

ROTFLMFAO

65 ? If that is correct, congratulations on still being interested in modern technology and games.
Most people i know above my age quit playing games considering them to be childish anyway.
Looks like times are changing.

But back to topic:
I'd say, the discussion about taste (that's what it is all about) in context with Rage is a little pointless.
For me, Rage is a great game. No more, no less.
In fact, i feel slightly irritated by some bad ratings that have been given and the bad reputation it seems to have with some people.

Same with me.