Yeah, it's kind of sad. I feel bad for the PS3 users, but only a little because they did somewhat shoot themselves in the foot by not buying for the PC. However, even the PC's release was absurdly buggy. It's clear to me that Bethesda either tried to save money by barely doing any QA and essentially releasing a late Beta, or had to rush it quite a bit. I'm guessing it was rushed. It's clear that they can do quality work by some of the stuff in game, but other stuff in game was just clearly not as well thought out/half-assed. I don't blame them, it's business. Still one of my favorite games in awhile.

I'd put it on par with Dark Souls (although I definitely spent more time on Skyrim). Would have definitely surpassed it if the put more effort into QA and thought into general game mechanics, some of the items (armor/weapon clipping is terrible, you can't even wear a knife without it clipping, the Dark Brotherhood armor looks terrible on males...they didn't even bother making the masked version of the cowl have the mask for men...etc) and a lot of the questlines which feel underdone (Bard's college, the civil war - I mean at least give us some sort of unique reward FFS for our chose on which side we go with).

if u read the post, the game in all actuality does work on the PS3, what does not work is that because of the PS3 hardware it cannot run for very long due to nothing in the game but in the actually hardware of the PS3. Like i stated if u can do everythign in the game, then game isnt broken BUT if ur able to do everything in the game but not all at once then yes its due to the actual hardware. When u look up websites on ur computer and look at them fine but then try to look at them all at once and its slows down to where quite a bit wont load and etc...then yes the internets is broken no nothings broken about it, its just the hardware u are using in what u have is not up to stuff to handle it. Case in point, they have alrdy toned this game down and made it specifically for consoles THEN ported it pc, they have lowered the bar enuf to were without mods its looks just as good on pc with all the specs up as it does on console. Are u saying because ur 5 year old PS3 is lagging and freezing because of the mass amount of data thats theirs no shortcomings whatsoever on ur console?

TBH they shoulda gone back to how they used to port games PC--few months later 360----half a year later PS3, because the problem is obvious that either the consoel cant handle what the 360 can or the developers cant get the coding down on the PS3 right, that they should just go ahead and get out what they can get right or semi-right then take time to release on the hardware that they have problems for....................................OW YA! thats right! i forgot about the mass of [censored]ing and complaining that PS3 players had because they have to wait 6months to a year for their game that was alrdy released on everythign else. TBH when u got a bunch of screaming people complaining, then ya id shove what i could at them to avoid it too.

Im not saying the PS3 is lazy or incompetent, but i am saying that the hardware is outdated and that Bethesda is not the only people who have problems are having problems with ur console gettign ti to work just right, right outta the box when its released with everythign other port.

And my true feelings are in my signature =]

"SKYLAG" the perfect name for this game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really, maybe you could try finding one that is a top bill, huge money release that would actually be a fair comparison. I also have a hard time believing that the latter two games had as many issues as Skyrim. This is the buggiest game I have ever played (except maybe superman 64 /shudder, although I don't know if those were technically bugs or design choices...)

"The issue is: IGN are hypocrits, charlatans, and shisters. To hold up what they say as evidence of your own opinion being valid, is not the best of ideas."

Really, because I could say the same thing about Bethesda with the promises they made about this game before release. It was almost Peter Molyneux/Fable bad.

I don't know how much clearer I can be.

Bethesda is responsible for making sure a game they release on a CLOSED PLATFORM runs well. If it doesn't run well, the only ones to blame are Bethesda.

We should not be paying them to beta test their game for them.

It just boggles my mind how such a large bill release could get released with the amount of bugs this game as, especially the PS3 lag issue. I understand a game like this will have it's fair share of bugs due to the nature of it, however these should not be bugs apparent to everyone who has sat down and played the game for a moderate amount of time. That's what I find insulting. Like I said, I get it it. The game was obviously rushed, this is a business. The least they could do though is apologize after the fact and maybe give us some free horse armor, instead of continuing to [censored] on the non Xbox users by giving them DLC later (I can get [censored]ting on the PS3 users if there is an exclusive deal worked out, but the PC? The PC is your core fanbase and always has been).

Prehaps you should have bought the PC version

The best part is that regardless of whether or not you enjoy the game, it's nowhere near the 'Biggest screwup'.

Lol IGNumadbro?

Oh and my friend got it on Ps3 and it runs smooth as butter... He has literally had zero issues...

PC user. Now that I want to play the game, the damn thing just reloads the launcher constantly and no suggestions from other players in the troubleshooting section can solve the issue many are having with the launcher.

As for me, I am an average gamer and the workarounds to get this damn game to actually work are getting to be a real problem. and dont call customer support in shipped manual. You will get a hospital clerk.

There were actually a good deal of people having random CTDs on the PC version until the LAA patch just recently.

The main problem seems to be a poorly optimized engine that isn't deallocating memory when it should. But this issue was present in oblivion so you'd think they would have gotten around to fixing that part already.

If I was a PS3 player, I might feel the same way. Especially considering the hype up to release. This game was the first mid-night release party I had ever been too. If I had gotten the PS3 version. Played the next day (I took the day off) and ran into those problems the PS3 players did, I would most certainly cry fowl. But thankfully I'm a PC player.

i dont how i can be any clearer when it does run well on the PS3 at any point in the contexts of the games, u can do any part of the quests, visit any dugeuon, kill any dragon and not one specific event/item/etc in the game will cause the lag/freeze that PS3 are experiencing, what they are experiencign is when their DATA gets to a certain point that it causes lagging and freezing. If we was talking about a computer that lagged or froze on a game, the solution would be to upgrade ur ram and/or processor, but if a game start lagging/freezing on a console "the game is broken".

You can't just disregard the PS3 issue and accept it has no bearing whatsoever on the title as a whole. It's not as if we're talking about some random platform out of many, the PS3 makes up 1/3 of its targeted audience ffs. That's a pretty big number. Beth either knew of this issue and decided to release the game hoping not many people would pick up on it or they never tested the game thoroughly. Also strange that no review sites were given the PS3 version, so that leads me to believe the former is more likely.


It's obvious Beth were more concerned about their silly 11/11/11 release date than they were about their actual customers and as such PS3 players were duly screwed over.

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What a horribly misinformed title OP. The article says Skyrim's lag issues on PS3 were the biggest screw up, not "Skyrim" in general.

Well IGN is one of the biggest screw-ups as well.. Skyrim is a wonderful game.. If you say otherwise.. Let me clarify something.. If you played this game for more than 100 hours then you have no reason to say its a screw-up.. And when Elder Scrolls VI comes out... Skyrim will become one of the best games of all time and TESVI will be the biggest screw-up...

Lets all thank Bethesda for one of the best games we have played..

We aren't talking about a PC though are we, we are talking about a console.

From what I gather, fixing this lag problem will require a lot of rewriting code? I'm guessing it's because of the PS3's split RAM and the game saving too many things (moving bread around, etc.)? What if they made it so that most things are just reset?

Someone tell if I'm right with this or not.

No, the crashing was memory handling errors. Machines were hitting the 2GB allocation limit and the game was being terminated.

this is an issue where dosent come into effect after what 40 to 60 hours of playing? im pretty sure bethesda didnt do a complete run thru in a single sitdown but more along the lines of different races and specs doing each quest, like putting them at the point of the quest running thru and completing it, then delete and running thru it with a different race and spec. Case in point which quest cannot be completed or causes 25% of the time for game to permently lag on a PS3 ? Cann PS3 players not finish themain quest lines because of a bug or glitch thats on the ps3? Can ps3 players not be able to finish guild questlines because of a bug or glitch on the PS3? No they did thier testign pretty well seeing how even on PS3 players can rush run thru and complete any quest in the game and experience everythign in the game BUT when it reaches a certain amount of storage on the PS3 it laggs and/or freezes, so AGAIN runs perfectly on PS3 until it gets to a certain amount of data being stored on the PS3.......yes the game is clearly broken to be so open and mindblowingly huge, the mass amoutn of data thats used to make this game come to life being to much for the consoles hardware that plays fantatsically on the PS3 at any point in the game until it reaches a certain amoutn of dsata being sdaved to the pS3.

is not the console a computer thats specifically designed for gaming?

thats right my bad on that one, i got that confused with soemthing else =]

but im good, i need to quit posting lol, its the internet and we all gonna have our opionions and we will stick to them no matter whats fling at our faces. accidently posted 3 times in a row, on a tangent all said and done, i have enjoyed the discussions here always good to learn and throw myself against =]

Meh, I'm not suprised. Remember, you can't spell 'Ignorant' without 'IGN.'

Yes but a console can't be upgraded (outside of a different HDD). That is why it is up to developers to ensure a game works. You can't just upgrade the PS3's RAM and even if you could, the game would have to be made to run on stock PS3's.

so we are in agree thats its the PS3 ram since the game does work on the game great until it gets to a certain save? Like how the ram should be refreshing and saving and disregarding "useless" information where the problem lie in the pS3 ram basically keeping and storing "all" information, it not getting rid of the temporary but holding onto it?