Is it just me, or does DT make the Serivce Rifle basically u : Fallout: New Vegas

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:20 am

I think it was one of those balance guns that are meant to not be used by the players... but can kill them if they have 4 dudes shooting them with it. There are clearly better weapons for the players, but for AI in an NCR base it puts a level cap into going in there and kicking the [censored] out of everyone. It also sells well so if you find one just grab it, repair it, then sell it while keeping your grade A guns. It does good damage against you but up to a deathclaw its not the first choice clearly.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:40 am

Three. And I've seen pleeeenty of screenshots with this outfit too.

And it's game balance. You'd be raging about how lowly NCR troopers were [censored] you if it was 'good'. It is good in the early stages or if you have low strength anyway. It also fits with the universe somewhat - A cheap and easy weapon to make with the light industrial base the NCR probably has and easy to use in the hands of a basic trained grunt. If you notice almost every senior soldier uses 'good' guns.

Four... and I've got Boone kitted out in Leather Armour so we look like some kinda faction of our own

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:58 am

Four... and I've got Boone kitted out in Leather Armour so we look like some kinda faction of our own

Im in combat armour mark2 or w/e and have boone in regular combat armour. Then we have rex with us.

Not to mention our matching bandanas we wear.. we dont just look like a faction.. we ARE a faction. :mohawk:

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:10 am

You think DT makes the service rifle useless? At least you can load up 5.56mm AP rounds in that. Poor energy weapons have no such alternative.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:55 am

I use it as a backup for when I run out of Hunting Rifle ammo. Only lvl 12 or something.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:53 am

At lower level I used one successfully on a bunch of legion goons, but only with AP ammo. Since then it's been sitting in ED-E in case I find something that can be repaired with it.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:23 am

It's a good weapon when used with HP and AP rounds, actually. Not better than most of what you can find, but still pretty decent at lower-levels.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:42 pm

I Horrid thing...I thought, "Goody! An M16!"...boy, was I wrong....

That's exactly what I thought at first too LOL

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:50 am

Change Service Rifle to "two thirds of the energy weapons" and I'll agree.
Haven't tried guns yet but when I saw that weapon for the first time on an hostile NCR trooper I was like "OOOH [censored]!" but then it took away a small tick with every shot and I almost laughed so hard I fell off my chair.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:45 am

It has its place in the game just like every other gun. The ammo type isn't used by many other guns. It is a great backup weapon and great to use against lesser targets to save ammo once you have better guns with rare/expensive ammo. Many of these apply to a lot of lower level guns. As a few have mentioned before, mods help a lot, but if you aren't on PC, use it strategically and it is very useful.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:07 am

IMHO this seems to be the weapon that the Service Rifle is based on (at least it's appearance):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:13 pm

If they made a few changes to make the ammunition types more unique, I think the service rifle would be more useful in the long run. Just give the smaller caliber rifle rounds (5.56,5mm) more armor penetration capability with every type of munition (relative) then I think it'd be all good. For example, give the basic munition (DT-5, DMGx1.0) and AP better penetration capability than current. Would fix some of the problems and keep the weapons that use these munitions better over the long haul rather than making the .308 round so dominant.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:03 am

Could you link me to the mod?

Sorry, I don't remember exactly where, but both are on New Vegas Nexus..

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:16 am

I was extremely excited when I saw it on the Wiki months before the game came out. As soon as I started playing, I was just on a mission to find one. Once I got it, I was pretty disappointed. I thought that it might have some cool mods for it though. Even those are disappointing. It weighs too much. It's damage is weak. It's just not a good weapon.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:09 am

IMHO this seems to be the weapon that the Service Rifle is based on (at least it's appearance):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10

More likely based of the semiautomatic AR-15 seeing that the AR-10 is a 7.62mm rifle

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:23 pm

The Cowboy Repeater is my weapon of choice, although, due to its reloading time it does bring about some foolish deaths if I’m not smart about it. The Service Rifle is my last resort back up weapon for low level critters and lightly armored foes (Powder Gangers) – or when my better weapons are close to disrepair. Also, the path I’m taking through the game 5.56 ammunition seems to be the most plentiful, so it always has plenty of bullets on hand to make up in volume what it lacks in power.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:15 am

More likely based of the semiautomatic AR-15 seeing that the AR-10 is a 7.62mm rifle

Exactly. The SR looks to be patterned after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAR-15 which was supposed to be a civilian weapon. These would be semi-auto, firing one shot at a time. I'd expect a Militia like the NCR troops to use this type of weapon.

Me, I've used the Varmint rifle most of the time for sniping, and the Cowboy Repeater for close combat. I got that Cowboy Repeater at level 4 or so. They're pretty common to find on Jackal Gang members south of Primm. I have a .357 Magnum and the weathered 10mm pistol, but never use them.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:45 am

More likely based of the semiautomatic AR-15 seeing that the AR-10 is a 7.62mm rifle

I know - read what I said again - I was talking about the weapon's *appearance*.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:11 am

Ha you want idiotic design try the bleeping laser rifle.. 33% less damage and its using freaking bloody bleeping micro fusion cells as ammo. Who in gods name would design a rifle like that?

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:31 am

When both mods are installed and using AP ammo it's not that bad. Kinda wish there was a third (expensive) mod that gave it tri-burst firing mode and extended the mags to 21-24 rounds.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:46 am

Ha you want idiotic design try the bleeping laser rifle.. 33% less damage and its using freaking bloody bleeping micro fusion cells as ammo. Who in gods name would design a rifle like that?

The Laser rifle is my primary weapon. The ammo is plentiful, the scope makes it great for sniping, and it has a very high critical rate. Add the +3 damage mod and beam splitter, then it really can pack a punch even up close.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:33 am

I keep it for Boone when I first meet him...unless I already have 2 Cowboy Shooters..then I just give him one of those. Meaning I wouldn't have the gun anymore if I had 2 well repaired Cowboy Shooters.
It is pretty useless after Novac anyway..

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:31 pm

I use That Gun because of the 5.56 AP rounds fired from a handgun. Since it doesn't slow you down while drawn, you can wander the wasteland, and aren't going to be caught with your pants down by anything that jumps out at you.

About the only reason I have the service rifle around, is because of the quick reload times (compared to cowboy repeater). For low and mid-level opponents, that's a life-saver! Nothing worse than waiting for the repeater to reload 11 rounds as you're getting tag-teamed by cazadors.

But, I'm 100% with you guys on the Varmit Rifle - and I've not even gotten the silencer on it yet!

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:59 am

Does anybody actually use the Service Rifle?

The first one I got sits in the safe in Novac...fully modded and at 100% condition. Any others I come across get used to repair my sniper rifle. :lol:

The NV version of the sniper rifle is a beast, I love that thing.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:35 am

With jury rigging, these things are useful for repairing my assault carbine, but that's about all I use them for.