Is it just me, or is the concept of a Soul Gem gruesome?

Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:25 am

so did the CoC but from what iv seen of him in skyrim he seems pretty happy in his new found insanity

That's taking his personal opinion into consideration. I doubt all creatures you trap in a gem loose their sanity once they die and have bin obsessed with eternal life either. If he likes it that's his deal, but I'm sure not every creature agree's with him. I would assume most would go crazy with being completely alone as well.




Animal souls don't care. Only human souls do. Black soul gems are universally reviled as evil. Unless the victim was an [censored] and deserved it (Thalmor Justicars, Rogue Mages/Necromancers, bandits, etc.)

The soul-trapping isn't permanent, either - Once the item's destroyed or charge is burned up, the soul is free, if a bit less overweight.

I wouldn't mind being a flaming sword: "HOLY [censored] I JUST SET THAT GUY ON FIRE!"

What about when your turn on charging the sword is over?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:27 am

Two of my characters don't use soul gems at all for this purpose. They do use enchanted weapons if they find one, to release the souls trapped within but they don't recharge them.

Animal souls don't care.
Animals, especially the larger ones have feelings just like humans do. The only two things that separate humans from other animals are: 1) Animals can't talk 2) animals, except Chimpanzees, are not self-aware. But they feel pain and loss as we do.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:03 pm

Animal souls don't care.

Animals may be less aware of what's happening to them. That's not to say they wouldn't care. Indeed, it would probably be more distressing for an animal than a human, who may know a little about soul trapping anyway.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:34 pm

I always assumed once you used up a soul gem, you're free. Either that, or you don't actually capture the soul, just its energy as it leaves the body. Maybe when you go to Sovngarde or whatever, you might be weakened.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:29 pm

I liked it better in Morrowind where the soul gems would say which creature's soul has been stored in the gem. It did a better job of reflecting what actually happens when you use soul trap.
And for certain characters it would actually give you their name. Great for collectors!
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:22 am

And for certain characters it would actually give you their name. Great for collectors!

For 5 low payments of 125 drakes, you can own the very soul of Ulfric Stormcloak HIMSELF!!! There is only one left to go around folks, so get it before it`s gone!!!
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:30 am

Animals, especially the larger ones have feelings just like humans do. The only two things that separate humans from other animals are: 1) Animals can't talk 2) animals, except Chimpanzees, are not self-aware. But they feel pain and loss as we do.

Chimpanzees are not the lone exception of that, many animals are self Away, Elephants, Dolphins, Cats, Canines, many birds, ect... Sentience is not the sepperation of Human and Animal, it's Sappience or reasoning.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:48 am

Moral ethics towards soul gems?

1.) Don't mind soul trapping animals.

2.) Don't mind soul trapping people that I hate.

I have a tendency to name enchanted items after the souls I used to make them. Of course I only do that with NPC souls.

Although, "Mudcrab Deathblade" definetely has a ring to it.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:05 pm

I was thinking about the Soul Gems in TES. You kill something, and trap its soul into a Gem, witch can be used at your disposal for enchanting items.

Am I the only one who finds this completely gruesome? Fist of all, I can't legally kill someone, but If I want to trap their immortal being in a rock and use it for my personal use its perfectly okay?

Also, every single enchanted item in the world of TES costs lives to create. Want an axe that makes you job easier through enchantment? Well guess what. I killed your pet fish to make it for you, happy birthday! Some even use human souls... This is just, overwhelmingly evil. I see why Nords don't trust Magic now.

I find the concept gruesome as well. A lot of people take a variation of this approach though:
I always assumed once you used up a soul gem, you're free. Either that, or you don't actually capture the soul, just its energy as it leaves the body. Maybe when you go to Sovngarde or whatever, you might be weakened.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:07 pm

Huh, UESP has no Lore article on Soul Gems? :dead:
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:33 pm

But there is a difference. A soul is the spirit of a being, which continues existing after death, possibly going on to some kind of afterlife. So, killing an animal is just detaching their soul from their physical form so they can move on to whatever comes next. Trapping their soul means they're forever bound to the gem, and unable to move on, effectively becoming imprisoned for the rest of eternity.

Well, let's not take our real-world desire/sentimets for the soul to keep existing in any form after death into the Elder Scrolls universe shall we? Nobody really knows where souls go after death in TES. They could actually be consumed by the universe itself, empowering the universe to create new souls by consuming used souls, for all we really know. Since we don't really know the importance nor substance of the soul in TES, we can't put a (real-world) morality on it imho.

But for a non-sentient being trapped in a soul gem that could actually mean it could keep on doing whatever it does for all eternity. Would it actually notice and feel bad because of that? A sentient being would become mad due to various reasons like for example the impossibility of communication with peers and being out of touch with their loved ones. A rabbit will just continue being a rabbit. Soul gems do seem capable to fulfill in basic needs, so if the rabbits has carrots which it can gather, it really don't think it'll ever care throughout eternity.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:58 am

my character has no qualms about using the souls of stormcloaks to kill other stormcloaks. Although there aren't enough black gems in this game. Stupid azura loyalty = bad decision
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:27 am

I don't think once you drain an item of its soul charge then the soul is free. Think about something, each item you swing your sword of flames, it draws upon the souls energy to create the flames. Once the soul doesnt have anymore energy left I would imagine it is exstinguished, gone forever. Not released and making its merry way to Sovrnegard ( spelled correctly? ) but thats just what I think. I could be very wrong, who knows.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:18 am

Huh, UESP has no Lore article on Soul Gems? :dead:

Yea, I checked that before I posted this because I wanted to make sure I had the right idea. Was odd, all I could find was a book or two on how they work.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:56 pm

Am I the only one who finds this completely gruesome? Fist of all, I can't legally kill someone, but If I want to trap their immortal being in a rock and use it for my personal use its perfectly okay?

Sure. In RL we trap souls all the time, except we call it "employee retention".
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:44 am

Am I the only one who finds this completely gruesome? Fist of all, I can't legally kill someone, but If I want to trap their immortal being in a rock and use it for my personal use its perfectly okay?
Possibly due to the fact that killing a person is a real physical act in the real universe, whereas a 'soul' or anything connected to it is not real and exists only in the realms of fantasy and the supernatural.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:52 pm

well, there are White Souls, which are non-sentient (or are supposed to be, Bethesda kinda messed up the Falmer), and Black Souls, which are sentient. Black Souls are considered illegal in many mage circles, and are highly looked down upon in the few that don't expressly forbid them. Using a non-sentient soul as a power source is messed up, but much better than using a sentient soul that actually knows what is happening to it. and lets face it, a nuclear reactor is one small step away from being a nuclear bomb, so we can't really complain about the power source in a fantasy universe.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:26 pm

It is a very dark grey area, that's for sure.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:56 am

Well, let's not take our real-world desire/sentimets for the soul to keep existing in any form after death into the Elder Scrolls universe shall we? Nobody really knows where souls go after death in TES. They could actually be consumed by the universe itself, empowering the universe to create new souls by consuming used souls, for all we really know. Since we don't really know the importance nor substance of the soul in TES, we can't put a (real-world) morality on it imho.

Don't worry I wasn't referring to the real world, not trying to turn this into a religious debate :P But it seems pretty clear that there is an after life in Nirn. MQ spoiler
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You travel to Sovngard to battle Alduin, and meet many dead nord heroes...
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:11 pm

Well, let's not take our real-world desire/sentimets for the soul to keep existing in any form after death into the Elder Scrolls universe shall we? Nobody really knows where souls go after death in TES. They could actually be consumed by the universe itself, empowering the universe to create new souls by consuming used souls, for all we really know. Since we don't really know the importance nor substance of the soul in TES, we can't put a (real-world) morality on it imho.

But for a non-sentient being trapped in a soul gem that could actually mean it could keep on doing whatever it does for all eternity. Would it actually notice and feel bad because of that? A sentient being would become mad due to various reasons like for example the impossibility of communication with peers and being out of touch with their loved ones. A rabbit will just continue being a rabbit. Soul gems do seem capable to fulfill in basic needs, so if the rabbits has carrots which it can gather, it really don't think it'll ever care throughout eternity.

The problem is that we do know that the soul goes somewhere after death. It is not a mystery that the followers of a Daedric Prince go to the plane of Oblivion of that Prince. We also Know that the Heroes that die can end up in Solvenguard. Heck I bet the Bunnies and Dear go to Hircine's Hunting grounds so the were-wolves there have something to hunt.

Edit: got Ninja'ed^^
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:41 am

All good Nords go to Sovngard, I suppose all other Aedra-lovin' people go to elsewhere in Aetherius. Perhaps each member of a Divine worshiping sect go to their sect's ideas of the afterlife.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:15 pm

Possibly due to the fact that killing a person is a real physical act in the real universe, whereas a 'soul' or anything connected to it is not real and exists only in the realms of fantasy and the supernatural.

In TES universe the soul seems to be a real thing with it's own energy, characteristics, etc. A soul in TES seems to be transported to another realm after death.

If you talking about RL though (witch I only bring up because that would make more sense out of your post). It depends on your view on the soul. Even on a scientific stand point it's all theory and different depending on who you are and what makes sense to you even if the meaning is the same.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:15 am

Black Gems svck the life from anything, including your usual person. Normal gems apparently don't (animals, some deadra). So, black gems are illigal due to their Necro abilities.

It so happens I have tons of these gems. I really should use em up. :)
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:33 pm

Possibly due to the fact that killing a person is a real physical act in the real universe, whereas a 'soul' or anything connected to it is not real and exists only in the realms of fantasy and the supernatural.
Possibly
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:34 am

The process makes me think of the line, "Your soul is mine!"
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