Is it just me, or is the concept of a Soul Gem gruesome?

Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:33 am

I just linked one.

And I just read it, but there must be more.

Also, are we even sure the "soul" contains the personality/consiousness of the body? Couldn't it just be the "battery" of animated flesh and bone?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:24 am

And I just read it, but there must be more.

Also, are we even sure the "soul" contains the personality/consiousness of the body? Couldn't it just be the "battery" of animated flesh and bone?
There really isnt much more on Soul Gems. At least not entirley about them. You can read Feyfolken, but its fiction.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:16 am

Not really...In some cultures around the world (not Tamriel) animals are not even thought of as having souls. In others they are believed to have souls, but are still viewed as property and thus their soul's and live's are not sacred in any way.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:17 am

Chimpanzees are not the lone exception of that, many animals are self Away, Elephants, Dolphins, Cats, Canines, many birds, ect... Sentience is not the sepperation of Human and Animal, it's Sappience or reasoning.

I would argue that any creature that fears death is self aware.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:54 am

What's the difference between a life time jail sentence and collecting a soul with a soul gem?

Nothing.. so I don't feel it gruesome. And I could go philosophical going like 1000 years in a real time nirn may be 1 second to that soul.

Now just like a lifetime jail sentence a innocent may be sent to jail.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:45 pm

I use only Black soul gems... :devil:

I buy/steal all i can find then go a killing rampage to fill them. :evil:
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:45 am

Don't know if its been linked yet, but here's a little http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Souls,_Black_and_Whiteon the subject.

It sounds like the "soul" is really just a person or creature's life force as part of a person's soul can supposedly "leak" into a soul gem:
If the gem is not precisely the size of the encased soul, small bits of the caster's soul may leak into the gem when it is touched.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:00 pm

I'm beginning to think that the Dwemer vanished into the huge stones in Blackreach after a certain Wizard did that experiment at the college and... well, you know what I mean.

I like to think that the souls are in a TES version of The Matrix. They are not being tormented... Just used as batteries.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:01 am

See, although it's by no means conclusive, that article tends to make me interpret the term "soul" in the context of "soul trap" and "soul gem" as meaning life force rather than consciousness or self. Meaning that when you trap the soul of an animal or even a person, you're simply trapping the life force released at death, and not trapping their consciousness or self or identity, the things we mean in modern times by the term "soul", within the gem.

I.e., you're simply collecting life force that would otherwise be wasted or simply disperse into the stuff of Mundus and using it for your own purposes, rather than actually trapping a soul and keeping it locked in a purple rock, unable to proceed to whatever afterlife awaits it.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:25 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Enchanter%27s_Primer

This seems to go into a bit more detail on what happens when a soul is used.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:35 am

More reading

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Palla,_Book_II

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Twin_Secrets

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:A_Tragedy_in_Black

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Feyfolken
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:31 pm

I would argue that any creature that fears pain is self aware.

FIFY
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:44 am

Animals can be just stressed in these living conditions without interaction. It sounds like you have never had pets before. Even a hamster needs interaction and to be let out for exercise in order to be healthy

Just because animals are less self aware, doesn't mean it's alright
I give my rabbit plenty of attention :(
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:55 am

I give my rabbit plenty of attention :(

Lmao, I'm happy to here that.

Rabbits need attention and exercise, something they cannot get in a soul gem. That's why I think it's immoral
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:47 am

Lmao, I'm happy to here that.

Rabbits need attention and exercise, something they cannot get in a soul gem. That's why I think it's immoral
They get plenty of attention and exercise!
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:34 pm

They get plenty of attention and exercise!

I'm not saying that yours do not. Just stating how these shows it's immoral to use a soul gem on them
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:24 am

I like to think that its just the energy the soul creates as it passes through the soul gem or that it is released upon use

cause yes trapping that mudcrab inside an axe for all eternity just seems horrifyingly hellish.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:49 am

Back in daggerfall, they just came back out and took revenge on you when you're out of charges. :laugh:

That would make more sense wouldn't it?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:50 am

I'm not saying that yours do not. Just stating how these shows it's immoral to use a soul gem on them

Again, that would assume that the self or consciousness of the animal is trapped within the gem, as opposed to just their energy released as they died.

I like to think that its just the energy the soul creates as it passes through the soul gem or that it is released upon use

cause yes trapping that mudcrab inside an axe for all eternity just seems horrifyingly hellish.

This is kinda what I think, myself.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:38 am

I'm not saying that yours do not. Just stating how these shows it's immoral to use a soul gem on them
Even in an enchanted item they get plenty of attention and exercise!
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:39 am

Even in an enchanted item they get plenty of attention and exercise!

Lmao that justgavee me the image of a Mage stroking his gem before taking it out for a walk
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:13 am

I have attained CHIM, therefore whatever I do is moral.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:58 am

Lmao that justgavee me the image of a Mage stroking his gem before taking it out for a walk
...We're not allowed to talk about that kind of behavior on these forums. :stare:
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:42 am

hmmm.... I should have a free BSG for Ulfric. Then I can have his soul when I kill him.

Of course, he may not like that when I run into him in Sovngarde on the way to fight Alduin... Might complicate things a bit...
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:48 am

If you played Morrowind enough you'd know that the soul that's been trapped can still feel and hear everything, but since they're trapped there's nothing they can do about it. [there was a guy who talked about soul gems]


So that makes it even more effed up... Enchant a pair of undies or boots with a person's soul and you've got eternal torture.

Too bad making enchanted underwear isn't possible...
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