Why is practically everyone around here so cazzo butt hurt?

Tell me in what way it was obvious? The game has dragons flying around all over the place like a race. There is no mention of a giant end boss dragon in the game. I had no presumption about Bethesda being predictable or unpredictable, I was leaning towards creative and now it's spoiled.

Pete Hines had said it was developed for the 360, and ported to both PS3 and PC.

What should change in the world? Who knew other than a handful of people what you were doing?

My comparison to Mass Effect was to illustrate the differences in game style. In Mass Effect, you really only meet a handful of people. This allows them to be more broadly scripted. It's a more cinematic experience. Your choices have more effect, but the world is very limited, so they can do that. In a game like Skyrim, the world is just too vast, the options too many, and the people you can interact with far too numerous to get the kind of character depth that you are looking for. Other than the handful of characters in the main quest, and even a couple of the major side quests, everything else is based around light scripting and AI. To do it in the manner Mass Effect was done, they'd have had to not have an open world sandbox game, and have far fewer npcs.

You are seriously overreacting, and being melodramatic. You should seriously relax. You're getting all mad, menstrual, and cussing on a gamesas forum about a guy talking about you killing a dragon, which was obvious

I agreed with all of your post, then I saw D.

Forums rules are forums rules. The rule says no spoilers. You mentioned a spoiler, no matter how obvious it seemed to you. It's about that simple.

Sorry for being disagreeable, breh.

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So pissed that you spoiled this for me. Enjoy your bad legs. There's more than one way to get back at people who do bad crap.

I'm sorry, are you trying to threaten me? If you are, I'll report you too. If not, what the hell are you talking about "bad legs"?

It's not a physical threat, there's more than one way to punish someone and I'm not talking about "fantasy magick" or Skyrim lore.

Elaborate, or I will report you for threatening me, because what you said can easily be interpreted as a threat.

Uh, bro, I point you to the guy saying that he had the plot figured out in 45 minutes. It's pretty obvious you're going to have to kill something big at some point...and that's all I said. You should calm down.

Elaborate, or I will report you for threatening me, because what you said can easily be interpreted as a threat.

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Make that 5 minutes asuming you dont spend 30 hours on character creation

In 5 days you will be given bad news from a doctor, enjoy the wheelchair in 2 years. No, it's not a threat. People spoil things for others in life, I can spoil your life through means beyond science/logic or this physical realm.

Now you're trolling. 7/10, honestly.

TELL ME LIES, TELL ME SWEET LITTLE LIES.

In 5 days you will be given bad news from a doctor, enjoy the wheelchair in 2 years. No, it's not a threat. People spoil things for others in life, I can spoil your life through means beyond science/logic or this physical realm.

Get a grip lad.

Not lies at all, I've had loads of dirtbags doubt it as well and then they come begging me trying to find my email addy/address/number to call me to make it right. I wouldn't say it with certainty unless I was dead serious, you were just unlucky enough to spoil the storyline for the wrong person.

Ummm......

Point the first: The Elder Scrolls is based more in GURPs (mechanics-wise) than D&D (interface styling until now).

Point the second: The spoken dialogue has seriously hamstrung any roleplaying aspect of the game. You are limited to what has been recorded. Unless you have the facilities to re-record the voices, and the software to integrate it into the game, and the expertise to do all of the above with. If they has stayed with a full text interaction system, instead of going for the 'let's tell the grubs at story!' concept, then the user community could rewrite and add as many branches to quests as the buffer allows. We could create our own quest lines, as complicated as the system could handle.

Point the third: You can't really call it roleplaying when you wind up 'roleplaying' the exact same character. From what I've seen ingame, and heard from trusted other sources (and can check in the game guide), you essentially start with the same character; You get to pick the face, race, and gender. Wow. Talk about character control. And unless you expend an insane amount of effort, you wind up with the same character; a multi-weaponed, high level magic using tank. No real choice, no consequences of choice.

Point the fourth: The quest design is hideously flawed, from a roleplaying point. Dialog is one issue; linearity is the other. Side quests are kind of excusable, but the main storyline? You have one point where you find your are Dovahkin. But how many people would jump at that....and how many would shake their heads in denial and hide somewhere? There should be one of two other points where Destiny slaps you upside the head to get your attention (my design would be a combination of timers and trigger events; meeting the graybeards could be another pivotal point....or having one of them leave High Hrothgar if you are hiding, and seeking you out. A final decision point would be you getting caught in a full out dragon attack on a helpless city. And if you choose to turn away, then you start another timer for Alduin to end the world in fire and destruction....leaving you the last being alive....until the end). Consequences. Those are all glossed over for the so called 'casual gamer'. In the civil war, you have one side of the other.....and neither of them are particularly worthy. But you can also see that the whole event is being stage managed behind the scenes by the Thalmor. I don't know about you, but I can see a whole bloody epic in finding out that truth, getting the evidence, then dealing with Tullius and Ulfric like the brats they are. Ideas like this are why so many 'old schoolers' talk about branching text; you don't have to waste 10 gigabytes of storage space (and pay for and record) enough voice acting to give you some real choice. You could add 20 branch points to -every- NPC in Skyrim and all that would fit in the fraction of space needed for vocals.....leaving room for other things.

Point the fifth: Bling. Simple, linear, easy to understand attributes has given way to an interface more designed for an Iphone (Todd's words, btw). Not because its good design; but because its bling.

Point the sixth: Can't be Duke Nukem; there's no babes and bazoooms!

Tell me in what way it was obvious? The game has dragons flying around all over the place like a race. There is no mention of a giant end boss dragon in the game. I had no presumption about Bethesda being predictable or unpredictable, I was leaning towards creative and now it's spoiled.