I don't like the whole night lady thing.

I think assassins should be assassins and kill for the money, not some ancient corpse.

I think there should've been an alternate ending to the DB.

So you either had the choices of going back to the old way or continuing in the new.

I don't know much about the Morag Tong but they should've had a comeback in Skyrim.

The Morag Tong are part of the Dunmer judicial system, so it wouldn't make sense to have them operating in Skyrim. Given the turmoil in Morrowind I could certainly see a group breaking off and going rogue, but they'd be quite different from the organization we encountered in TES III.

Always liked the Morag Tong better than the Dark Brotherhood.

Lorewise, I don't think the Morag Tong have ever had a presence in Skyrim, and in most cases, they have no presence outside of Morrowind. In addition, their way of doing things is too dependent on their officially sanctioned status, so they really wouldn't have worked out other than in Morrowind.

Yeah, as has been said, they were a uniquely Morrowind thing. Keep in mind, they weren't so much 'Assassin's as they were bounty hunters, in the actual sense. "This guy's been tried and found guilty in absence (don't know the legal term), he has been sentenced with death. Get on that." It was the 'assassin' guild that you could murder a man in the street, and, when the guard ran up to you, you passed him a piece of paper, good for only that specific kill, and with a nod, he collected the paper and let you go on your way.

Now, while I can agree with liking that a lot more than the weird assassin cult thing the Dark Brotherhood has going, it just doesn't work outside of Morrowind, not unless the Empire gets the idea to take a page from the Dunmer's book. The bounties you can pick up in any city are pretty much the same thing, though.

Doesn't add anything to the question, but it's extremely easy to RP a Morag Tong agent and with the TG armour, it's easy to get believable attire too. I'm currently RPing a Morag Tong assassin, whom was sent to assassinate Ulfric, which makes the whole 'in and around Helgen' thing make sense. Killing Ulfric also makes sense from a Dunmer pov too.

They could have worked but only in minor reference such as a DB quest requiring you to make contact with the MT or them contacting you about a convict from Morrowind. They couldn't have had a hold in Skyrim really but on the other (black) hand I think DB could have had a hold in Morrowind (if they dont already).

I prefer the DB in Oblivion by that I mean the whole Black Hand and 5 tenets business. It provided a much deeper experience than Skyrims devil-may-care im in charge because I say so approach.

The Morrowind expansion is (unless I'm wrong, didn't really play Daggerfall much, and Arena not at all) actually the first appearance of the Dark Brotherhood, though they existed purely as 'those filthy imperials are trying to kill you' if I remember right. And yeah, the Dark Brotherhood has fallen hella hard. I wonder if this means this is the last game we're going to have them in, or if just the Skyrim' branch is buggered.

Yeah I agree. I really liked the Morag Tong, though as people have said, they were a Dunmer thing solely existing in Morrowind.

They were legal I suppose, and I like the covertness of the Dark Brotherhood.

According to a member of the Riften Thieves Guild, the Morag Tong has disbanded, with loose plans to meet up in the far, far future.

I'd love to have seen a sect of the Morag Tong within Skyrim, instead of the Dark Brotherhood.
I mean I like the Dark Brotherhood's sadistic nature, as well the worship of Sithis, but I dislike their cultist attitude and ridiculous Underworld outfits.
To me the Morag Tong would have fitted in better in Skyrim. After it became known that the dunmer people fled to Skyrim and Solstheim in the Red Year.

The group would operate within Windhelm and Winterhold, both wielding large dunmer populations. Particularly having the headquarters in Winterhold city.
They'd modify their own code to fit with nord honour and traditions, as well as to modify their armor to protect against blizzards instead of ash storms.
And hell, they could of even worshipped another daedric prince! maybe Mephala's old trickster brother, Hermaeus Mora. The Mora Tong! haha.

Ah, what can one brew up when they desire something greatly. I miss the Morag Tong a lot, hope they return as a joinable guild sometime.

The Dark Brotherhood can be joined in Daggerfall. They also show up in TES III before Tribunal, you encounter them as enemies in the Morag Tong quest line.

Yah you had to kill the "Local Night Mother".

Considering the Night Mother worshipped in Oblivion and Skyrim was mortal, that doesn't conflict. Sithis might well have picked more than one potential Night Mother. He might yet pick more.

This isn't Morrowind so no they shouldn't have.

But he also called them the MoraNg Tong, so either there's a lorebreaking error, or he's making stuff up and getting the name wrong.

Or the voice actor didn't know how to pronounce it. The subtitles get it right.

Whilst I can't see how anyone can pronounce 'Morag' with an 'n', this seems likely. They managed to hire a voice actor that in the same conversation pronounces 'Calcelmo' as both 'Cal-kel-mo' and 'Cal-sel-mo'.

Ha, it's like the Land Dreugh in Oblivion - no two voice actors pronounced it the same.

I would like to see a straight assassin guild in the next game - as in one with no Sithis and rituals involved. But I suspect players would complain about the lack of the DB.

A different pronunciation of a name is not lore breaking error its a voice acting error. There is nothing to dispute the fact the Mong Tong are gone. Red Mountain devastated Morrowind and the Argonians used the opportunity to sack the province, how wouldu the Mong Tong survive?

I have a curious question, back in Morrowind was the Morag Tong ever spoken in voice acting? There are quite a few words in real life that aren't pronounced like they are spelled. Perhaps your assumption on how the word is supposed to be pronounced is wrong.


Some might call it realism, people from different parts of a single country will easily pronounce a word differently even when there both native speakers of the same language.

The Mong Tong were founded by Mephala.

Then you don't think the Morag Tong should be a guild because they were never about money. They did it for religious and judicial reasons. The beliefs differed but they were every bit as religious as the Dark Brotherhood. The Dark Brotherhood is very much a business far more then the Morag Tong.
The Dark Brotherhood is a religious business.

those non sneaky assassins? i remember them, taunting people into a fight then slaying them....doubt they would do well without those writs

Also the only reason they exisisted was because the theocracy supported them

That's Astrid way of thinking too. Too bad it's not possible to side with her.

Her way of thinking was. "I've been the new Nightmother for years now I don't want to give it up."

If I remember correctly that's how the DB started. A group broke off from the Morag Tong.

Sithis removed that option. It is lost to the Void.