more hybrid races? : V

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:25 am

wouldnt it be cool to have more hybrid races in a future dlc? I would love to see what race would become with a khajit and nord, or redguard and argonian

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:17 am

This would totally kill lore.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:13 am

I did enjoy the X-jitt and Orc-jitt mods for MW which added various half-Khajit races to the game but Bethesda decided that in Tamriel halfbreeds take mainly after the mother.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:27 am

Race mixing between human and elf races would be cool. I'm pretty sure the lore doesn't include information on recombinant DNA and gene splicing though. However, it wouldn't seem to be a serious violation to have the elven races be able to mix. Same with the humans. But beast + beast or beast + elf or human would be outrageous.

Kahjit + Argonian + Falmer grandmother = WTH?

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:00 am

Race mixing between human and elf races would be cool. I'm pretty sure the lore doesn't include information on recombinant DNA and gene splicing though. However, it wouldn't seem to be a serious violation to have the elven races be able to mix. Same with the humans. But beast + beast or beast + elf or human would be outrageous.

Kahjit + Argonian + Falmer grandmother = WTH?

I'd agree that it seems unlikely that Argonians could breed with anything other than other Argonians. The khajiit though with all their subraces ranging from one that appears almost identical to Bosmer to others that look like housecats or giant tigers are a different story. Some of them would have an easier time having six (if not breeding) with other species than with other subraces of Khajiit.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:04 am

This is not D&D...this is elder scrolls.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:59 am

I think characters can inherit visible racial traits from both parents, such as Karliah (how else would the Bretons have came about?) but they are always the race of their mother.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:17 am

they are always the race of their mother.

This. But you could just pretend that you're a halfbreed by leveling the skills of different races.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:23 am

I think characters can inherit visible racial traits from both parents, such as Karliah (how else would the Bretons have came about?) but they are always the race of their mother.

The bretons are a result of breeding between aldmer and nedes, then generations of breeding from those half-breeds again IIRC. Half-races do not spring up over night in TES, though sometimes the child also carries traits of the father.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:48 am

impossible, at least ask for lore-friendly things that could be better than this (the other tribes of argonians, the other forms of khajiit, the unexplored races that we have not actually seen, ect)

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:39 am

The bretons are a result of breeding between aldmer and nedes, then generations of breeding from those half-breeds again IIRC. Half-races do not spring up over night in TES, though sometimes the child also carries traits of the father.

This. Say if a Breton mother and a Nord father gave birth to a Breton boy, he would gain some spellcasting ability due to his Breton blood, but since his father is a Nord he could have a small frost resistance.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:00 pm

If you read the in-game book "Racial Phylogeny," it also offers some information on cross-breeding. Mostly that Argonians breeding with non-amphibians is probably not possible and that there's been no recorded case of half-Khajiit people or anything. It also brings up an interesting point in that, since the child takes after the mother foremost, if say a Breton or Wood Elf were impregnated by an orc or something, social taboos would probably have her keep it to herself. So for all we know, there's a quite a few NPCs and such wandering Skyrim or Cyrodil or Morrowind that can be considered "hybrids."

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:22 pm

Isn't there a book in-game on this?

Oh, wait, nevermind.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:47 am

Isn't there a book in-game on this?

Oh, wait, nevermind.

Keep in mind that just because an in-game book says something doesn't mean it's representing in-game *truth*. There's plenty of in-game books that contain falsehoods and conflict with "lore". As in our world, just because it's in print doesn't mean it's true -- let alone been verbalized by an npc.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:05 am

Keep in mind that just because an in-game book says something doesn't mean it's representing in-game *truth*. There's plenty of in-game books that contain falsehoods and conflict with "lore". As in our world, just because it's in print doesn't mean it's true -- let alone been verbalized by an npc.

Well, similar to real world stuff again, the author's listed in the books most of the time, and then you can judge by that if they're credible most of the time. UESP says that Racial Phylogeny is by the "Council of Healers, Imperial City" so that's presumably a credible source. Not to mention this isn't an opinion book or anything like "Scourge of the Gray Quarter" or propaganda like "The Talos Mistake." It seems terribly unbiased and to the point.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:28 am

Sload-werewolf-Bosmers, here we come

And by the way, Jagar Tharn was half-Dunmer, half-Bosmer if I'm not totally mistaken.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:14 am

No thanks. There is more than enough variety for me the way the races are now. Half-Everything would just annoy me.

It would be fun to see some different types of Khajiit, though. And there’s already lore for that.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:16 am

Sload-werewolf-Bosmers, here we come :biggrin:

And by the way, Jagar Tharn was half-Dunmer, half-Bosmer if I'm not totally mistaken.

Flipped through "The Real Barenziah" listed on UESP, and it looks like Jagar Tharn's actual race is a mystery. He claims he was born to a Wood Elf mother in Valenwood, but Symmachus says that he's part dark elf/high elf. Also getting lot of info that he was part Breton. Soooo yeah.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:54 pm

Well, similar to real world stuff again, the author's listed in the books most of the time, and then you can judge by that if they're credible most of the time. UESP says that Racial Phylogeny is by the "Council of Healers, Imperial City" so that's presumably a credible source. Not to mention this isn't an opinion book or anything like "Scourge of the Gray Quarter" or propaganda like "The Talos Mistake." It seems terribly unbiased and to the point.

Sure, but even 200+ year old credible sources wind up being not true.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:19 am

Sure, but even 200+ year old credible sources wind up being not true. :wink:

True but they could've been credible at the time then disproven but we wouldn't really know that because the books are still lying around in-game for us to read....

I think I just opened a wormhole in my brain.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:23 am

oh you mean my khajitt argonian, so i can see in the dark and breath underwater at the same time..... :glare:

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:08 pm

True but they could've been credible at the time then disproven but we wouldn't really know that because the books are still lying around in-game for us to read....

I think I just opened a wormhole in my brain.

LOL ... yeah, at some point it simply becomes: "Nothing is true, everything is permitted". (OT: pretty sure I've seen that phrase somewhere else ....)

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:27 am

LOL ... yeah, at some point it simply becomes: "Nothing is true, everything is permitted". (OT: pretty sure I've seen that phrase somewhere else ....)

Assassins Creed.

Anyways the race is generally the mother with characteristics of the father.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:17 pm

breeding between beastraces and elves or humans deosn't work. There was a thread about doing it with console commands a while back, search ''Mixed races'' and you should find it

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:46 am

The Thalmor have refused to fund this. :mellow: