Yet they still got their asses kicked in the Opium Wars (despite the overwhelming numerical superiority and the homefield advantage)?

Part of the problem for many african countries was that after securing independence, they were left trying to make the institutions of a modern european-styled state work. With very little experience in these kinds of regimes and without a political culture that was supportive of said regime, they were at much greater risk for corruption, coup attempts, and other crap. It takes time for a country to democratize and to develop a political culture that is supportive of a democratic government. Depending on the country, they might also suffer from the resource curse or possess other socio-economic attributes that contribute to their current status.

And I have a feeling this is going to cause a lot of unecessary throwing around of the word "racist".

Agreed, the only actual civilization in Africa were the Egyptians. Other than that they were warring tribes.

And on slavery, its not Europeans that get flak, Southerners do. I should know. Despite the fact that some of the most powerful slave traders were yankees...... :whistling:

Another thing that doesn't get brought up very often....... cough, cough cough, child labor, cough cough COUGH.

And don't even get me started on Uncle Tom's Cabin. If you have any sense at all then you should be able to tell that book is a load of hogwash. Yes, the slave lords beat their ENTIRE SOURCE OF INCOME senselessly for fun, makes perfect sense. Not to mention the woman who wrote it never stepped foot below the Mason-Dixon line......

But then they had the social shutout. Culture and tradition was more important than progress. They're advancement started to slow. Then the west forced themselves in, things got messy, but they got a good bit out of it. Then they took the wheel and invented the corvette (metaphor).

And they only secured their independence because they lost it in the first place . In attributing blame to Europe, I was thinking on domino lines; they didn't pull the trigger, but they sold the design for the gun.

EDIT: To clarify: Africans don't get off the hook -they're not poor little innocent noble souls- but I'm fairly sure other peoples coming in and messing with cultures and political constructs helped them get them on it.
EDIT2: I'm saying this so you can more accurately tell me why I'm wrong :hehe:.

Not too mention when the Europeans pulled out they intentionally made the borders of teh nations conflict with Tribal Boundaries so that prgress could not be made.

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The Eygyptians were teh onyl Civilization, really? No1

All I know is a lot of them are royally [censored] and as an empathatic human being it saddens me greatly so I do my bit, dontate my 5 pound a month to oxfam, and hope thing get better for them

NO. BAD IDEA! It's Planet of the Apes all over again!

Uhhh, no... Fourth paragraph...



Then when Homo Sapiens left Africa and populated Europe they bred with and eventually replaced neanderthalensis. This occured around 200,000 years ago.

Only if you've been keeping up recently or if you're into anthropology. It wasn't long ago that the predominant theory was that the Neanderthals were from a separate evolutionary branch from Homo Sapiens. The popularization of the idea that at some point there was interbreeding between the two species (or between Neanderthals and a precursor to Homo Sapiens) is fairly recent. You sure you're not thinking of the Cro-Magnon?

No it doesn't, you just need a few torches. Then when the soil is exhausted you move on to the next piece of forest and burn it down. It's how agriculture has worked for thousands of years, before we were forced to actually get good at it because of a lack of new lands to cultivate.

Agriculture, and as a consequence large civilizations, never took off in Africa because of the climate, which is unfavourable for most crops. The disease climate is very rough as well, compared to any other place in the world. Egypt was an exception, because of the incredibly fertile lands of the Nile Valley. But since this article is about Sub-Saharan Africa Egypt isn't relevant to begin with.

:facepalm: Why didn't that occur to me? :shakehead:

Really not doing well today *sigh*. Something like a lack of readily domesticable plants would have made more sense.

EDIT: I know! Fire wouldn't work in jungles 'cause they're all soggy and stuff .

What about the Mali? Songhai? And not counting mainly negroid civilizations, Carthage? Almoravids? etc


I've never read anything about the aryans Hitler and his homies spoke of being describe as pure Homo Sapiens. It was about Germanic, Slavic, Semitic groups etc, and those classifications are independent of whether or not they are Homo Sapiens, Neanderthals or a mix of both. So I don't really agree.

And before knowing anything at all about genetics and history, the Neanderthal parts were pretty unknown to me and seemed a bit dubious, but now this is not a big shock at all.

And I don't agree with the sentiment that I'd be African because my ancestors lived there over 130 000 years ago either(latest update I read about assumed emigrational chronology).

Some posts here are funny .

Our ancestral species in Africa was Homo Rhodesiensis (Rhodesian man) , a branch of this species moved to Europe , this branch 's name is Homo Heidelbergensis (Heidelberg man) , 400.000 years ago Heidelberg man branched into Neanderthal (and a 3rd species without a name yet) while Rhodesian man branched into 2-3 other species including ours (Homo Sapient) 200.000 years ago.
Around 70.000 years ago a small tribe left Africa , probably via the channel to Yemen and eventually came to meet Neanderthals in Europe , the two (?) species co-existed for millennia until the Neanderthals extinct around 30.000 years ago .
This is what we know so far , given that the two species could interbreed and create fertile offspring our genetic drift seem to be very limited .
I generally doubt that you can call them different species .

Cro Magnons had bigger brains from us like the Neanderthals
Cro Magnons had stocky , muscular builds like the Neanderthals
Cro Magnons are considered Homo Sapient , why Neanderthals do not ?

First of all, some should re-read their history and maybe a bit of Jared Diamond (Guns, Germs and Steel). Agricultures started in few places in the world and Europe is NOT part of it: Valley of Indus (rice), China (rice, chicken), Western Africa (yam, palm oil), Sahel Africa (sorgho, african rice), Mesopotamia (wheat, chick peas, cow, sheep), Mexico (corn, turkey), Peru and New Guinea inland (yam, pig). Agriculture reached western Europe only around 2000 BC. It was already in Africa at that time.
If we keep on civilization, we could talk about iron for example which was discovered before 500 BC by the Nok culture.
Look at bronze of Ife, terracota of Nok, the Songhai, Ethiopia etc... To summarize Africa with "warring tribes" is showing a tremendous ignorance of the continent and its history.
Also, Cro-Magnon is not different from modern man. It mainly refers to a site in France. The mixing of Cro Magnon with Neandertal has been an on-going hypothesis since the discovery of the Castelperronian. These fine flintstones seem to have been made by neandertalians under the cultural influences of modern humans. I remember in Human Paleontology at the university, it was a very hot subject. And it was in the 80's...

I don't think it makes a difference to any person on the planet. Except for the scientists studying this stuff of course.

Still, it pays to know Hitlers personality.. and I'm sure telling him that the Africans are the purer species would've had him [censored]ting a brick, shaving off the lip fuzz he called a 'stach, and continued painting those crap city-scapes that he did.. -they're always about the buildings.. he didn't care about people, only structures..


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me now scratch myself in place that princess stomper not wanna know about...

me scratch myself in back yard, hur hur hur

Cro Magnons were not like us , their average height was bigger their brain size range well above us and they had massive teeth , also their bones were thicker. Of course they are anatomically modern humans but anyone with minimum experience can tell a modern skull from a Cro Magnon one...

Neanderthals imitating Cro Magnons is a well proven concept .

The Out of Africa theory is the one that states Homo Sapiens competed with and replaced Neanderthals. If they really came out of Africa and bred with them to create every non pure African of our modern species, that is not truly the case (They did not truly replace them.). I may be understanding it wrong, but I thought that was a fundamental part to that theory.

Next he'll be wanting to give them fingerss and thumbs so they can update their facebook profiles....

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Neanderthals died out in Gibraltar few thousand years before our species arrived in that area

I'm sure it may have affected him, but I'm still not fully convinced. I've read Mein Kampf recently (I've put it down and started reading the Bible instead, since I got pretty bored and haven't had much time to read so I've tried to prioritize) and even though I've only read half this far, I'm under the impression that he never prioritized homogeneous bloodlines overall, he focused on "noble"(Aryan, Germanic etc) bloodlines and how much of that you had in you. He would probably see a pure Slav as much of an untermensch as one who was mixed with other not-so-noble ethnicities in Hitlers eyes.