Nevermind. I read your first post wrong.

Anyway, why don't you just get steam on your non-gaming PC? I mean... come on. If you wanna play with the CK just turn on steam, when you are done, turn it off. It's not like you need to have steam running all the time? Or did you not know you can turn steam off?

And you say you don't want programsrunning that you "don't really need". Well guess what, you will most likely NEED steam for the CK to run. So. Yeah. You can always try to find a way around it, but why make it hard on yourself?

Nope, you're looking at the WRITE speed, which is used for burning. Have a look at the READ speed. 99% of those DVDs listed have a READ speed of x16.

While pirating the game hurts the company's profit, allowing anybody to create mods for it in the end is a good thing - you can stop pirates yet, but you can make them work to your advantage.

While phishing is here to stay and you can never discount user error, you omit to mention the hacking of user information databases, over which the user has no control, nor a way to prevent it., other than not disseminating his/her information all over the net.

And if you think a "big company" live Valve is immune, they've already been hacked before, and Sony is worth around $20 Billion and Valve is worth about $3 Billion. A company's DBs getting hacked is a very big reality and frightening to think of the MILLIONS of users affected. That's why I handle all transactions I can in person.

You can use the Steam "Backup" feature to copy the game content to your other computer. I would think that the CK would work without Steam being connected, however, the game won't run until you can at least log into Steam once to validate your account license.

You know what? Thats actually interesting because I'm also 28 and I'm starting to get the same way about stuff. I wonder if it's an age thing.

One of my jobs at work is computer security so I thought it was always because of that. But this is the second time this week that another 28 year old has told me they are being more picky about these things.

Yeah I was getting ready to say this also. For metrics, take the resource requirements (RAM, video card, CPU) of the game and times them by 4. Thats the estimate of what resources the editor will require. It has to load pretty much all assets in a loaded area to work. When you run Skyrim, it only loads the assets in your viewpoint vicinity. But the editor does all of them. Just like CAD, only worse.

Isnt the dvd speed irrelevant, when it should be the write speed of your hard drive it is writing to??

29 and not all that picky.

I guess for some people, this occurs through experience.

100Mbit is the average in Japan, not the U.S
10Mbit is the average in the US.
That average goes up in Cities, but because cable companies, don't want to enchance that outside of major cities, your pretty much regulated to a 5Mbit, to a 56k Modem if you live anywhere near a population under 100k.

and to the OP?
You shouldn't be afraid of steam.
you dont' have to invite anyone to be your friend on it, and quite frankly, from a retail stand point. Steam has more games than you'll ever find at any retailer.

You don't even have to submit your address/cc info on it if you never plan on buying anything online with it.

And the obvious advantage is, if you DOlose your game disc, or if your like me, you like to keep your game disc pristine? Install once that method, make a backup disc (STEAM ALLOWS YOU TO MAKE GAME BACKUPS!)

And since steam is here to stay, its a way of persevering all the games you own, on one site.

10 Mbps might be a bit http://www.speedmatters.org/content/internet-speed-report.In 2010, the median download speed was 3.0 Mbps (the study doesn't tell the average, but given the distribution it should be even lower).

Heck, these very forums were hacked not all that long ago.

I second this. The GECK's require an obscene amount of RAM in comparison to the game, as well as processing power to do some of this stuff and load certain things. Not to mention, you need the game for the CK to be useful. (Unless you were starting from scratch for some reason) Also, I believe this CK requires Steam to run. So you're out of luck.

We do not yet know specifics about CK.

If you are sufficiently motivated, you might try writing your own modding tools. This will initially be very slow and tedious but can be fruitful in the long run if you have a useful approach. (Then you can distribute your tools to other people and some of them will be grateful.)

Another approach is: install steam and then go into offline mode. You can only have one "live steam connection" at any one time, so if you are using multiple machines (one for CK another for games) you will need to keep the extras off your network connection. If you are ethical about this, and do not mind the lack of connectivity, I see no downsides (other than the extra installs you need, to make this work).

Yuffie67, my bet is that you will need steam to use the CK, very likelly in the same computer you use for gaming, which suppose your data as a modder and as a player being associated. Not something appealing if you wan't a bit of privacy.

You may use alternate tools to the CK. The ones we are using right now, are very lacking, but once the CK is out, will be improved and new ones will see the light. Depending the way of modding you choose, you won't need the CK at all.

Nah that's not really true. I'd put the requirements at about the same as the game. The editor can load just the local cluster just like the game does. I ran the Oblivion editor just fine with only 2gb of ram. It's somewhat slow, sure, but you don't need 60fps for editing.

I download at 5-7 MBps so it isn't an issue for me, it'd take longer to head into town and buy a physical copy. My ISP is also going to upgrade our speed free of charge to 100 meg, so I now see no need whatsoever to use physical copies, especially when steam offers such speedy downloads.

Don't let other people wave away your concerns. Having two PCs, one of which being COMPLETELY unconnected from the internet, is THE ONLY 100% sure fire way to protect your privacy and files.

The problem is that by very definition, your "gaming pc" should be the one connected to the internet. For some reason you have them reversed.

Regardless, here is what you should do:

1) Connect non-internet PC and download steam client and CK.

2) Instal CK, run program 1 time.

3) Remove cord/remove wireless card/etc....to disconnect completely non-internet PC.

4) Continue to run steam and CK and Skyrim as much as you want since it's not connected.

5) - Upload and download mods on other internet designated PC and transfer with flash drive.


Good luck. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

I had no idea people this paranoid still used a desktop computer at all. Learn something new every day!

Just to be exact, the GECK Itself does NOT require lots of RAM to run. Loading the base ESM files takes lots of RAM.

99.9% of mods are going to be based on the ESM so they will need to load it. Very few mods can be made without the ESMs content.

Yeah, it's not like valve got hacked and peoples personal information was actually stolen.

Oh wait, that did happen.

I think it sabout right though, Comcast has already distributed 100MB connections in virtually all the major cities they have access to, and 10MB is highly affordable through them now.
Even in a city of a population of 50K, had access to 20MB.
Virgin Mobile has 3g Access.
I put 10MB as the 'average' simply becuase of the high peaks such as Cities with 100MB connections.

Agreed. 3 years ago in my area (greater Atlanta) it cost me 80$ a month for 10mbs and now i pay 50$ for 15mbs(ATT Uverse cable/phone/internet bundle).