Simple Question.
I have 2 PC's, One is offline only PC for gaming. (which sadly had to have a ethernet card put in for Skyrim.. firewalls, anti-virus and other things i didn't want slowing my gaming pc down. thx.) =p

And one I'm on now, which doesn't have steam. and which i use for CS from past, personal work and internet browseing.

Will CS work with out Steam on this PC? (Non-gaming pc)

No offense to Steam, I just dislike having programs i don't really need running. It took almost a half a day to figure out several issues with Vista on my gaming PC to get Skyrim adn Steam to work right.
I really.. don't wanna go thru that again. >_<

install steam on your other pc too. if you can put up with it for skyrim, you'll put up with for the CK.

Thats depending.. cause i hate to say it.. I'm sick of having to register for sites/programs I'll never use or need.

I've had real life stalkers.. with all hacking going on.. i just don't feel safe anymore. Hate putting my info on every place knwon to man to use stuff. lol
Bad enough Youtube and Google torment me for my phone number everytime i log in... I'm mute and don't own a phone.. leave me alone!!!! AHHHHH!

lol.. its funny and sad.
But i'm getting picky at age of 28.

You already registered to Steam to play Skyrim. Unless you are using a pirated copy that is

I don't have steam on the one PC (its not a gaming PC)... and i'm sure I would need to redo my password... (I really should write them down...)

I just don't wanna put more stuff on my one PC then it needs.. (its pain in butt to restore PC and redo 99999999 programs. (ok.. ya not that many, but I just want it to be less of pain in butt...)

If your interenet PC isnt a gaming PC, then dont bother using the CK on it. Editors are more demanding then the games. Not to mention you need the game with the editor in order to use the editor.

It's funny you say that. One of the best features of Steam is to make things less of a pain in the butt when you have many games. Rather than having to install 500 discs you just click on a game you own and it starts installing

Installing from the disc is incomperable in speed over downloading the game.

An average DVD drive can install at about 33MB a second. The average internet connection can download at about 1-2MB a second.

Sadly my Skyrim disc wont read in my drive for some reason...

...and then it's installed about 5 hours later?

I'd rather just put a cd/dvd in the drive thanks so that i can play it a couple minutes later.

eh not for me... internet speed and dvd read speed are pretty close!

Anyway, you *may* be able to copy the CK over and use it without steam. I have my doubts that it's going to have steam DRM on an editor. However, if it is possible, it will be an unsupported action, I'm sure.

pft you guys need better internet or maybe I need a better dvd drive XD I like it for the organization, though. I couldn't begin to figure out where my old Hitman: Codename 47 cd is, but anytime I want to play the latest one, Blood Money, I have it right there on steam waiting for me

Not really, 100mbit connection is standard among gamers where I live. Comparing that to a x16 dvd drive (177 mbit) that I use, its not that big of a difference.

You would have to have an effective 265Mb connection to reach the speed of an average 24x DVD drive.

If you have such a connection, then pics or it didnt happen. That is the rule of the internet.




If you have a 16x dvd drive, then you are doing something wrong.

Ya, I prefer Disc to.
One, it installs in mins.
Its hard copy (since i keep my gaming PC offline only. )
Plus sites go up and down left and right, change servers.. Who knows how long Steam could last or who could get my info.
And I don't need internet to play games. =3

I like having the control in my hands, not several others.

honestly ive been running skyrim without steam sinse 11/11/11 they sold it with an exe that didnt require steam so i used it.

i finally logged into steam today to update to 1.4 patch

so yes you wont neccessarily need steam for either

the ck does require steam access tho in time im sure other options will be available

tho we cant discuss that in these forums

and for the sake of patches and ease im gonna use steam now they finally released a patch that didnt actually break my game.

but really i cant see how any1 can find your house or take photos of u with steam, i think its pretty safe.

This. Worrying about people hacking through Steam to steal your details is a bit like the people who used to go into police stations to confess when their pc popped up with 'This Computer has preformed an illegal operation..etc'

The majority of people who got hacked using services like Steam made the following mistakes.

They use the same username and password for everything (A mistake i hear is made a lot)
They replied to emails claiming to be from Steam requesting your username and password (Steam will never email you to request either)
They did something stupid like share their password.
They broke one of Steams rules and had their account terminated, but rather than admit it, they cried about being hacked.

You forgot to mention.

They visit fake sites.
They click on email links (Taking them to keyloggers)
They don't care about internet security/Anti Virus.

Most common case of account theft is due to clicking on links in emails sent from fake accounts, that links to keyloggers.

As an example. "From - ***Fake email/website*** - Hi, we are investigating your account and have found out that you have breached our EULA/TOS and need you to send us your account information by clicking on this link and accepting blablabla" The reciepient clicks the link, accepts whatever he/she is told to accept and to click, and their account info and personal info is being transmitted to the evildoers on the other side of the world (In most cases china/USA)

It doesn't require you to be a rocket scientist in order to keep your information and your computer protected. It does however, require a bit of awareness and a tint of personal intelligence, not to mention the ability to think logically.

You'll need to have the game installed to make use of the CK anyway. You won't be able to use it on your secondary PC.

You didn't need to have the game installed for Oblivion's editor (just the game data & a little bit of trickery with the registry). What makes you think you will need to do so with Skyrim?

You should go have a look at some dvd specs then, x8 to x16 is standard. Please know what your talking about before posting next time.

Tell me, what are you going to do without skyrim.esm and all the meshes and textures?

Well if you're going through the trouble of faking an installation by copying all the game data the CK requires you might as well install the game.

Skyrim.esm, the meshes and textures are game data.


Copying it doesn't require Steam, nor does it require you to copy all the data - if you don't care for voices, for example, creating dummy "whatever-voice.bsa" files is sufficient. This saves disk space, lowers RAM usage of the editor and makes editing quicker.

The Standard average is 24x. you can get one for less then $20.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007589%20600003707&IsNodeId=1&name=SATA

This technology is ancient and mostly unchanged since it was first created. Miniaturized, but basically the same.

It all depends if CK will need Steam to run.
If the CK will run without Steam then you could just copy it from the Steam folder on your gaming PC to the other PC.
If not then you'll need to install Steam on the other PC.

Simple as that