Paarthunax - Slay him ? WHY would I do that ! did you ?

Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:38 am

I never thought about killing him for a second. Even when he told me he's constantly tempted to return to his old ways, and struggles everyday not to, it just made me like him more. He's like an addict desperately trying to not give in to his old temptations, something not a lot of people can do. It's admirable. Besides, if you do all the Blades quests before hand, you can still get Esbern's broken potion anyway.

To all the people who think that he's going to become the master dragon now, I highly doubt that's the case. Mostly because, after the main quest wraps up, the player character is considered to be the Dominant Dovah. I don't think Paarthunax is going to mess with the person who took down Alduin.

So I decided to split with the renegade Blades and align myself with the Greybeards and Paarthunax. Delphine has forgotten the purpose of her and other Blades: To serve the Dragonborn. Instead, she chose to order me around. When she told me "You're either with us or against us," I retorted with a Fus Ro Dah that sent her down to Ivarstead. Besides, in addition to being my friend, objectively speaking Paarthunax is more valuable to me alive than he is dead. He's an old and powerful dragon who's trying to bring the rest of the dragon under the Way of the Voice. Those who refuse and continue to attack mortals will be slayed by me and my newly established Blades.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:23 am

1: He isn't trapped anywhere. At the end of the MQ, he left the mountain to begin convincing dragons to become one with the Way of the Voice.
2: That is invalid argument. Those type of arguments are made just so one small group of people are happy. It's like if Bethesda stops making Elder Scrolls Games for 25 years then finally made ES6 after all that then someone says "Oh.. The time of these games are over, why are you making another one now?"
3: Why kill him in the first place?
4: It is mercy to let him live. He can do so much more with his life.
5: And the rest are not really reasons so no need to say anything more.
1.) A weak argument. Until then and to that point is it trapped at this one place.

I also doubt it can really convince all the dragons and Paarthurnax did not convince anyone in the past either nor do the other dragons seem to have much intelligence. You really just got a fairytale ending ala Hollywood for the weak-minded believing it will all work out if you only let it go.

2.) There is no place for dragons in a world that once was and is again being terrorized by dragons. People will fear it like any other dragon.

3.) You really need to ask? It killed many humans for no good reason. It then was not some bystander, but it was Alduin's right hand. And an old saying says, you walk with them and you shall hang with them. Even if it had not killed anyone would it still be an accessory to mass murder.

4.) It did not do much with its life in all those years sitting up on the mountain but to fight its inner demons.

It was mercy to kill it and justice for all of Skyrim.

Paarthurnax managed to charm you and you fell for it. Even "little red riding hood" could see through the big bad wolf... Where does this leave you?
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:54 am

Charm nothing, Paarthunaax himself admits that his dragon nature makes him dangerous when confronted, but he instead turns it into a question of existence. That he managed to subsume his urges to kill, destroy and dominate. His question about good and evil not making this quest a matter of whether or not he should live, it's who the Dragonborn will be, an individual who gives into his urges without hesitation, or a person who can think about their actions in a reflective light.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:02 am

I was quite sad to abandon Esbern, but didn't care about Delphine. Will always let Paarthurnax live, no matter how many times I play the game. I don't know why, but something about him makes me trust him.

Besides, look at it this way: If you kill Paarthy, what do you get? A few radiant Delphine/Esbern quests and the option to recruit NPCs into the Blades? If you spare Paarthurnax, you stay friends with the Greybeards, who will keep helping you find Words of Power. I'd say that's pretty good.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:54 am

Even "little red riding hood" could see through the big bad wolf... Where does this leave you?

I always felt bad for the "big bad wolf." He was just hungry and doing his job of weeding out the weak and the sick.

I've always looked at this Paarthy like the story of the scorpion and the frog. The Dragonborn is the scorpion. Paarthy is trusting the Dragonborn more than the Dragonborn is trusting Paarthy. The best that Paarthy can hope for is that the Dragonborn goes off and forgets about him.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:35 am

I always felt bad for the "big bad wolf." He was just hungry and doing his job of weeding out the weak and the sick.

I've always looked at this Paarthy like the story of the scorpion and the frog. The Dragonborn is the scorpion. Paarthy is trusting the Dragonborn more than the Dragonborn is trusting Paarthy. The best that Paarthy can hope for is that the Dragonborn goes off and forgets about him.
The wolf was the weak one. He couldn't even eat a little girl.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:06 pm

The wolf lost because a human wrote the story. Actually the wolf was full of grandma and was sleepy.

I really felt sorry for the wolf in this one though....well.... actually not really..... It's kind of like the Paarthy and DB relationship...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmvuAn3mz5E
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:07 am

Charm nothing, Paarthunaax himself admits that his dragon nature makes him dangerous when confronted, but he instead turns it into a question of existence. That he managed to subsume his urges to kill, destroy and dominate. His question about good and evil not making this quest a matter of whether or not he should live, it's who the Dragonborn will be, an individual who gives into his urges without hesitation, or a person who can think about their actions in a reflective light.
When it asked you to breath fire at it and it said "Ah, it is good to hear dragon tongue again!" did you not feel a little bit charmed?

Anyhow, if you let Paarthurnax live and Bethesda finds out then you will get lots and lots of cute, smart and adorable pet dragons in TES VI!
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:01 am

1.) A weak argument. Until then and to that point is it trapped at this one place.

I also doubt it can really convince all the dragons and Paarthurnax did not convince anyone in the past either nor do the other dragons seem to have much intelligence. You really just got a fairytale ending ala Hollywood for the weak-minded believing it will all work out if you only let it go.

2.) There is no place for dragons in a world that once was and is again being terrorized by dragons. People will fear it like any other dragon.

3.) You really need to ask? It killed many humans for no good reason. It then was not some bystander, but it was Alduin's right hand. And an old saying says, you walk with them and you shall hang with them. Even if it had not killed anyone would it still be an accessory to mass murder.

4.) It did not do much with its life in all those years sitting up on the mountain but to fight its inner demons.

It was mercy to kill it and justice for all of Skyrim.

Paarthurnax managed to charm you and you fell for it. Even "little red riding hood" could see through the big bad wolf... Where does this leave you?

1. Paarthuraxx is a he firstly. Not an It. Now 2ndly, do the MQ w/o killing him! He does leave the mountain and he can't convince them all but he can sure convince a lot of them since the majority of dragons don't like Alduin that much anymore. Look at Odahviing as an example! Also, the dragons are quite intelligent, don't say they aren't.

2. There is always a place for another race, like a dragon. You are pretty much saying "There is no place in the USA for Mexicans!" You are racist!

3. He was a bad guy but he did turned good and he is good. There is no reason to kill him. Ever heard of "Forgive and Forget"?

4. He did a lot. He was by far one of the main characters within the lore of the Elder Scrolls. Without Paarthuraxx, Alduin could've won all those years ago.

Where it leave me? Where does it leave you? You listened to crazy old man and a crazy woman who are too paranoid that the Thalmor is doing this or other paranoid-crap that is making them crazy and unable to choose if someone should live/die. You tell me? Where does that leaves you? Oh and btw, the only crazy guy you should listen is Sheogorath.

Anything else you like to add? This is such fun for me!
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:21 am

He should have given you a quest to take out the blades
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:15 am

1. Paarthuraxx is a he firstly. Not an It. Now 2ndly, do the MQ w/o killing him! He does leave the mountain and he can't convince them all but he can sure convince a lot of them since the majority of dragons don't like Alduin that much anymore. Look at Odahviing as an example! Also, the dragons are quite intelligent, don't say they aren't.

2. There is always a place for another race, like a dragon. You are pretty much saying "There is no place in the USA for Mexicans!" You are racist!

3. He was a bad guy but he did turned good and he is good. There is no reason to kill him. Ever heard of "Forgive and Forget"?

4. He did a lot. He was by far one of the main characters within the lore of the Elder Scrolls. Without Paarthuraxx, Alduin could've won all those years ago.

Where it leave me? Where does it leave you? You listened to crazy old man and a crazy woman who are too paranoid that the Thalmor is doing this or other paranoid-crap that is making them crazy and unable to choose if someone should live/die. You tell me? Where does that leaves you? Oh and btw, the only crazy guy you should listen is Sheogorath.

Anything else you like to add? This is such fun for me!
Paarthurnax decided to fight for Alduin, rather than to die. It is a creature of no honor. It could have stood up against Alduin and who knows what would have really happened. It said it did not have a chance. All it is really saying is that it never tried. So now it sits on a mountain and at the first sight of the dragonborn does spit out all it the little secrets. It is not more than a cowardly creature, which is trying to buy its way out.

I killed it not because the Blades told me to, but rather to put everyone in Skyrim at ease. This is the purpose of justice. It lets everyone know that there will be no more dragons in all of Skyrim.

I will not judge you for your actions or the lack of them. Skyrim will.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:33 am

It lets everyone know that there will be no more dragons in all of Skyrim.

While I agree with your conclusion, the goal of "no more dragons" isn't realistic. While the dragnborn lives, the souls of the dragons he's slain are trapped within him, but as soon as he dies those souls will be released to be reborn again. All that's needed is for a strong enough voice to be born who can shout the dragons back to life as Alduin did. I order to prevent this resurrection, the dragonborn will either need to become immortal, or will need to store his soul (which has merged with all the dragon souls) in an unusually powerful soul gem (as the dragonborn emperors did: see the Amulet of Kings.) However, the paths to immortality will likely simply turn the dragonborn himself into a dragon (see Tosh Raka) which would defeat the purpose, and even an "immortal" being can be killed. The soul gem solution would work only for so long as the gem remains intact (see Martin Septim).
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:42 am

While I agree with your conclusion, the goal of "no more dragons" isn't realistic. While the dragnborn lives, the souls of the dragons he's slain are trapped within him, but as soon as he dies those souls will be released to be reborn again. All that's needed is for a strong enough voice to be born who can shout the dragons back to life as Alduin did. I order to prevent this resurrection, the dragonborn will either need to become immortal, or will need to store his soul (which has merged with all the dragon souls) in an unusually powerful soul gem (as the dragonborn emperors did: see the Amulet of Kings.) However, the paths to immortality will likely simply turn the dragonborn himself into a dragon (see Tosh Raka) which would defeat the purpose, and even an "immortal" being can be killed. The soul gem solution would work only for so long as the gem remains intact (see Martin Septim).

Very good.... I hope Beth hasn't painted themselves into a corner.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:36 am

While I agree with your conclusion, the goal of "no more dragons" isn't realistic. While the dragnborn lives, the souls of the dragons he's slain are trapped within him, but as soon as he dies those souls will be released to be reborn again. All that's needed is for a strong enough voice to be born who can shout the dragons back to life as Alduin did. I order to prevent this resurrection, the dragonborn will either need to become immortal, or will need to store his soul (which has merged with all the dragon souls) in an unusually powerful soul gem (as the dragonborn emperors did: see the Amulet of Kings.) However, the paths to immortality will likely simply turn the dragonborn himself into a dragon (see Tosh Raka) which would defeat the purpose, and even an "immortal" being can be killed. The soul gem solution would work only for so long as the gem remains intact (see Martin Septim).
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:54 am

I never liked the Blades, to be honest. So I spared Paarthunax. I mean who cares if he did "atrocious" acts? That's their problem that they were targets in the Dragon wars.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:43 am

Paarthurnax decided to fight for Alduin, rather than to die. It is a creature of no honor. It could have stood up against Alduin and who knows what would have really happened. It said it did not have a chance. All it is really saying is that it never tried. So now it sits on a mountain and at the first sight of the dragonborn does spit out all it the little secrets. It is not more than a cowardly creature, which is trying to buy its way out.

I killed it not because the Blades told me to, but rather to put everyone in Skyrim at ease. This is the purpose of justice. It lets everyone know that there will be no more dragons in all of Skyrim.

I will not judge you for your actions or the lack of them. Skyrim will.

OMG I am so gonig to attack you on this.

Paarthuraxx was the first, and only, dragon that ever stood up against Alduin long time ago! HE was the one who taught the nords Dragon Shouts! HE WAS THE ONE WHO HELPED THE NORDS TEMPORRALLY DEFEAT ALDUIN! Because of HIM, the Nords had won that DRAGON WAR long long long time ago and Paarthuraxx, once again, helped the player in Skyrim to defeat Alduin once and for all! IT WAS PAARTHURAXX'S DOING THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ALDUIN! If he never had that 'revolution' against Alduin, the world would've been destroyed a long time ago! By Talos, do you even listen to anyone? It totally sounds like you know nothing about the lore and that post pretty much proved it. Jez.. I thought everybody knew that Paarthuraxx was the one who helped the nords long time ago and that he was the only dragon that went against Alduin!

I am surprise no other Lore-freaks hadn't attacked ya yet for that.

Also, back at the beginning of time; all dragons were allied with Alduin. Like I said, Paarthuraxx was the first to go against him and was by far the most important creature in all of Tamriel.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:10 am

Despite all the talk, I've never seen an especially compelling reason to kill him. You get a couple of extra quests for the annoying Blades, which now consists of all of two people. Blah.

If it was an entire series of quests like the TG or even the Companions then it would make the decisions tougher. But as it stands, going and slaying the guy who made it all possible, and who doesn't even fight back, it's not worth it. Especially when the quests consist of hunting dragons. You can already do that on your own. What makes it so extra special just because Esbern tells you where to go instead of busting out the map and finding them on your own. And their gear isn't all that special either. It looks kind of like TG armor.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:09 pm

I am surprise no other Lore-freaks hadn't attacked ya yet for that.
I do not care for history, I make history. And I say the same to you, too. It is not me who will judge you for your decision.

Some villagers have asked me to kill bears and only because they broke a few trees. However, I do understand that the bears are a threat to their business and that I am capable of killing them easily and they are not.

For the same reason did I kill Paarthurnax - because I can. To me it is one dragon less. I do not care how smart it, or anyone, thinks it is.

I break hearts in real-life, too.
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I do not care for history, I make history. And I say the same to you, too. It is not me who will judge you for your decision.

Some villagers have asked me to kill bears and only because they broke a few trees. However, I do understand that the bears are a threat to their business and that I am capable of killing them easily and they are not.

For the same reason did I kill Paarthurnax - because I can. To me it is one dragon less. I do not care how smart it, or anyone, thinks it is.

I break hearts in real-life, too.

Learning history and knowing a few things about the people you meet can lead to great and better things. There is your flaw in your actions and you need to think of those the next time you get a decision. Remember that and you shall do well. Remember, "Knowing History and the people around you will lead to a great and better world."
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:31 am

Despite all the talk, I've never seen an especially compelling reason to kill him. You get a couple of extra quests for the annoying Blades, which now consists of all of two people. Blah.

If it was an entire series of quests like the TG or even the Companions then it would make the decisions tougher. But as it stands, going and slaying the guy who made it all possible, and who doesn't even fight back, it's not worth it. Especially when the quests consist of hunting dragons. You can already do that on your own. What makes it so extra special just because Esbern tells you where to go instead of busting out the map and finding them on your own. And their gear isn't all that special either. It looks kind of like TG armor.
It is more than two. During the quest line can you find new members for the Blades. I got them:

- Erik "The Slayer". He wants to become an adventurer and to get away from the inn of his father. He now got to be a Blade.
- Benor from Morthal. He wants to become a guard, but his request is being ignored. I introduced him into the Blades.
- Uthger "The Unbroken". She was refused by the Companions for killing someone by accident during a training. She, too, became a Blade.

Do you see the difference? You wish for happy endings, I make happy endings. Erik got his adventure, Benor can go hunting dragons instead to complain about guard duty like the rest of the guards do ("My cousins out hunting dragons...") and Uthger got her second chance to prove herself.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:26 am

Learning history and knowing a few things about the people you meet can lead to great and better things. There is your flaw in your actions and you need to think of those the next time you get a decision. Remember that and you shall do well. Remember, "Knowing History and the people around you will lead to a great and better world."
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:34 pm

Learning history and knowing a few things about the people you meet can lead to great and better things. There is your flaw in your actions and you need to think of those the next time you get a decision. Remember that and you shall do well. Remember, "Knowing History and the people around you will lead to a great and better world."
You sound sad. What is it? Dragons??

Only to pick up on your argument - the thread is now a good amount over 200 - it is history that tells you what Paarthurnax did to humans. It is why I killed him. Just one of the reasons...
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:25 am

Paarthurnax decided to fight for Alduin, rather than to die. It is a creature of no honor.

I will not judge you for your actions or the lack of them. Skyrim will.

You too, sound sad.... someone stole your sweet roll? lolz.

Sonja has no honor either.

She duped Karliah and killed Mercer to get the Skeleton Key.
She now leads the Dark Brotherhood.
She is the Arch Mage on infinite sabbatical from the College of Mages.
She used extortion to get the Jarl of Markarth to join Ulfric
She robbed the Sky Haven Temple
50% of her kills were backstabs, 33% sneak attacks

Being honorable would be totally out of character, don't you think?
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:53 am

It is more than two. During the quest line can you find new members for the Blades. I got them:

- Erik "The Slayer". He wants to become an adventurer and to get away from the inn of his father. He now got to be a Blade.
- Benor from Morthal. He wants to become a guard, but his request is being ignored. I introduced him into the Blades.
- Uthger "The Unbroken". She was refused by the Companions for killing someone by accident during a training. She, too, became a Blade.

Do you see the difference? You wish for happy endings, I make happy endings. Erik got his adventure, Benor can go hunting dragons instead to complain about guard duty like the rest of the guards do ("My cousins out hunting dragons...") and Uthger got her second chance to prove herself.

I realize that. But to me the Blades quests are not anything that you can't already do yourself. So I could think of that as "being independent and making things happen for myself" rather than "I can't go out and kill dragons on my own; I need Esbern to tell me to do it."
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:45 am

Being honorable would be totally out of character, don't you think?
I am not sad, I am happy to have killed the old dragon. What I do not understand is, are you still being on topic?
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