Wel I have nothing against constructive criticism and all. Hell, who would oppose the idea of less broken quests?

What I DO hate is the people that are going out of their way to make sure to put insults in their posts, usually "beth is [censored] lazy".

And the thing that frustrates me the most is the PC elitists. "oh look, they made game simpler because consoles... yet, Morrowind ran on console and was complex enough for me... I am logic master!"

Everyone has an opinion. Most everyone else has a differing opinion. So what?

These types of threads are as annoying as the hater or blind-love ones are.

Do not feel bad sir, you are an intelligent person with constructive opinions. I truly do not believe there is such a thing as bad writing. There will always be writing that is more popular than others. When it comes to reading a book or watching a movie, we are on a roller coaster experiencing the writers perceptions. If my perception is similar to the writer, chances are I will walk away with a positive opinion. If not, I will most likely criticize it.

However when we play a video game like Skyrim only the beginning and the end is set out for us, and we get to experience the story in our own way.

I can also see it from your perspective, though I have to ask; When you classify something as good or bad, what is the credibility behind that classification? Is it general public opinion or your own opinion? And what has influenced those opinions. What truly makes something good or bad? If you never played video games and all you heard was the public opinion that Skyrim was bad, would that become the accepted classification of the game, and would you base further games against it in such a way?

That happens with every Bethesda game. It's part of the process. People lost their minds bashing Oblivion when it first came out. Same with FONV which I thought was better than FO3. It was freaking VENOMOUS.

The combination of legitimate gripes and the added bonus of nostalgia making most of us fools makes it a certainty every time.

"Bad writing" is woven into the fabric of Bethesda tradition (except FONV because they screwed up and let someone else write it). At this point I accept and embrace it.

I agree. No game is perfect.

Cheers

Actually, you're wrong. I really do hate Skyrim. I wouldn't hate it if I could play it, if all my quests weren't broken and such. But I do hate it in it's current state.

I would love it if Bethesda could make a game like Skyrim bug free from the get-go because it would prove that this forum would rage anyway.

Exactly if I hated the game I would shelve it and forget about it forever remarking on how dumb [censored] are but no I loved Skyrim and finally getting my archery to work again (enter third person and shoot will trigger it to work right) made me exactly happy. What myself and the other simply wanted was a working Skyrim for us all to enjoy.

i don't hate the game. the game is a masterpiece.it's the bugs and lag and all the stuff people are experiencing that is frustrating. i said my share of rants when i started getting problems but no hard feeling Bethesda. just make sure when you say you will do it make sure you deliver on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U-XcjDJ4rbw#! Enjoy the Video.

That was my whole point lol. Did you even read the original post?

Don't hate da developa.. hate da game.

MC Thugmor

I agree OP. People do feel strongly about the things they love.

The negativity comes from fans who both love and hate the franchise at the same time. They love it because Bethesda attempts something with these games that other studios don't even remotely try to achieve. But they hate it for the same reason--once they're hooked on this type of vast, open-ended fantasy RPG experience, there's no real alternative. it's like getting mad at the power company. What are you gonna do?

Speaking personally, I love Skyrim. I can sympathize with some of the complaints, but still...I think it's pretty amazing, overall. Not perfect, but pretty amazing.

It's because your Canadian, man. We think it's impossible for people to hate something that doesn't kill their parents. Unfortunately, when you cross the border that changes, and people start hating things.

op is right about people who complain not hating the game. they just want the next TES to be better so they point out the flaws so they can be fixed. but op's idea that it is possible to get deeply invested in a story line is just insane, almost as crazy as sheogorath himself, the quests svck sorry to say

I do not feel its to much to carry over feature sets from previous titles in the series. We could have had more skills, weapons, clothes, armor, spells, spell creation, attributes and more option for the game to be more fun and in depth. While Skyrim has an amazing world it lacks depth.

It's generally the opinion of accepted critics--not public nor my own, though in your defense and to destroy my own argument because I believe it fervently, to paraphrase Candid "If you think it's bad it is bad" (This coming from the section in which Candid is in iirc Italy and examining the Library owned by a nobleman which contains none of the great classics like the Illiad; I must say however that I didn't read this section critically enough to ascertain if this is Voltaire's own opinion or one he was lampooning). So accepted critics (scholars, teachers, etc.) and myself are the only people I really listen to when it comes to books (Because I'm high and mighty, my opinion on things is counted equal to the opinions of persons who hold doctorates on the subject).

Generally speaking, though, literature contains plausible pacing up to the climix of the story--the lack thereof is what destroys Skyrim's writing. One second I'm Dr. Dirkles, the new initiate of the College of Winterhold, the next second I'm assumed to be Lord Dirklemerlin, when in my head I'm still just a lowly associate. What's worse is the implausible conclusion--"Oh, so and so said you should be Archmage and despite being the seniormost staffmember and the guy most likely to actually run the school, I agree with them." In fact, the ending could simply be fixed by the Psijic's not saying you should be Archmage, but rather Tolfdir and the other teachers gathering, discussing who should lead, choosing you, and having a little pomp and circumstance. In fact, just a little pomp would make the ending infinitely more rewarding (including Mr. Hoshtilities saying "See, I knew you had the aptitude to be a great mage!" rather than his usual crap).

I usually base my decision on whether or not a piece of literature or writing is good or not on the underlying message, its structure, the author's grasp of the language, and other misc. things drilled in to you by English courses. Critical reading skills are what let you know if a piece of writing is good or bad--but not whether or not you enjoy it.

As to the last, I couldn't say because I wouldn't have played it. My response would be "I've heard bad things about it."

edit: for grammar

I agree. I know I have been dissing the game for several reasons but I still freaking love it. Yes, it could be even better, but It still is quite awesome. I wan't more conversations with people and the people to react with my actions. Archmage, thane and a guildmaster should be treated like such and not like level 1 refugee. Still, AWESOME!

There are 2000+ users online right now in the entire Beth forum. Skyrim sold what, 10 million copies so far? This forum is hardly an accurate representation of the general opinion of this game.

Indeed, "wonderfully flawed" as someone said But if you want good writing, don't look at Bethesda's games. Or good balance. Or deep NPCs. Or choices with consequences... Wait a minute, why i am playing this again?

since when is any descision made by a group a representation Participation of the entire population? there is a Reason Statistics exists in educational institutions, you do not need 100% population to garner a concensus.

1000 people is enough for a study to be valid and applied to the entire human populace iirc

precisely my point, but alot of folks seem to think forumers have a completely different and alien mindset in comparison to those who don't.