Just no, it would defeat the purpose of making a well thought out character.

Just an example. And I sir, am perfectly sane.

Didn't think of it that way. But still, if I had a Black Belt in Karate, there is NO way in hell I'd be able to forget it.

As others have said a complete respec of a character is a terrible idea, and I highly doubt Bethesda would even consider adding it in. Respecing a few points is a different story, and I'm not too against that. But, for all of the people asking for a complete respec...no. Just no.

And if someone uses that "it would be an option" arguement again, I am going to http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6nj2xGytY1rrc9so.gif! When someone uses that kind of logic, it just makes me do http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wy20gn7B1qdmiuco1_250.gif.

It would be optional. Also a great number of people are wanting and asking for it and alot of people that just wouldn't mind it being in the game. I'm sure if its not put in skyrim it will be in future titles if bethesda keeps this style of perk points.

Which they won't because the whole system is bad. There was a really good post stating why earlier. But, please don't use the "it would be optional" arguement, as that does not work for anything. It will also make me http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6nj2xGytY1rrc9so.gif! And, do http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wy20gn7B1qdmiuco1_250.gif.

But, even if they do keep this system (I hope to God they don't, because it's horrible), I guarantee they will never add a full respec. It's hard to picture them even letting you respec a few points, but they might do that.

Everything in the perk trees should have just been unlocked by the time you reached lvl 100 in each skill. People could build whatever character they wanted. Then this topic would have never come up and would have no need of perk reset. See some people like strict character builds but most don't and want freedom to play how they want. When perks were introduced that freedom that oblivion etc had was taken away for a strict character build.

But why is an option such a travesty? If you don't use it, it has zero effect on you. If someone else uses it, it has zero effect on you. What's the big problem with this logic?

The reason I'm so against that arguement is because it can be used for any idea no matter how stupid, and it also is not a good reason in itself. If someone said "Lets add perk respec because of this, this, and this" and they were well thought out reasons, I'd be happy to have a debate that involves the use of logic. But, people just saying "it would be an option"? No, I will not even consider that a valid point. It has no backing, and no logic, thus it is not a good reason.

Well it wouldn't (or shouldn't) be an intrusive feature, thus IMHO its a perfectly valid argument. Bear in mind I dont think complete respecs are necessary, what I totally agree with is that there are some perks which seem good going by there in-game description, but upon closer study are complete rubbish. Such as Bladesman for example. Therefore being able to tweak setups seems reasonable enough to me.

If you coud completely respec though, fine. I wouldn't use it but if it floats someone elses boat and doesn't effect my game, whatever trevor.

I'll say it again i guess. it seems that the only people that have a problem wit it is the people that like to brag about how powerful their character is. news flash ' just because you can kill a dragon in one shot in a game doesn't mean your awesome.....
For people that have lives outside of sitting in front of a game all day this is a worthwhile option. Some people want to experience the everything in the game without having to give up everything else in their lives. Job, girlfriend, social responsibility, ect. And yes this is the real reason people have a problem with it. They want to brag about how awesome they are in a game. as pathetic as that is

Well, that may be why others have a problem with it. I only have a problem with complete respec, because it changes the game. Respec a few points? I honestly don't care. Respec a whole character? Now you're getting close to ruining how the game is set up, and how it's supposed to be. Honestly, they should just ditch the whole perk system, as it is quite terrible. This whole perk respec debate wouldn't keep coming up if the system was designed well, or if they had a better system instead of perks. Oblivion's system was closer to the right track than Skyrim's is.

Well, you would be essentially forgetting specific talents or traits you learned while perfecting that skill, not the skill itself. Let me offer you this point of view...

For instance: If I maxed out the Light Armor perk tree then decided to switch it to Heavy Armor, I would still have 100 skill level meaning I could still be effective in Light Armor, just not as effective. Meanwhile I'm going to have to level my Heavy Armor skill which means wearing a set I have no skill in using and allowing people to hit me repeatedly since trainers will only get you so far per level, and are costly. While I'm doing that my Light Armor skill will be gathering dust, so realistically it would make sense that I'd eventually end up forgetting the finer points of wearing Light Armor. The same example could be used to explain switching from Conjuration to Destruction, One handers to Two, so on and so forth.

Naturally I'm not for "drive through" respecs, but allowing me to swap my perks in a way that reflects a proper challenge and time frame, then I'm all for that. Just to clarify where I stand , no disrespect intended.

Good argument, yet has nothing to do with the perk system. Learned skills =/= Crimes committed. However!, I do agree with you that if a guard catches me after I blatantly killed someone, then I should serve a sentence longer than a few days. A few months or even a full year would be interesting though I realize this might be difficult to manage legistically.

Funny to see people so threatened and offended by the option of a respec. Seriously, stop being so uptight about your opinion of game designs and recognize that there are other people on this planet who don't give a [censored] about your preferences or opinions. I paid my 60 dollars and I want what I want. If you don't want it, then go away.

But there is magic in TES.
You could explain it with the help of a very powerful illusionist or alchemist.

TES magic is limited. not EVERYTHING can be done by magic.

But this can

Prepare to rage, but here it is again: it only changes the game if you use it. Like fast travel. The problem I had with Oblivion was it allowed you to effectively be a master of everything - every character had the same potential. Now its limited, and thats great and the way it should be IMO. However the drawback now is that to experience everything you have to play multiple playthroughs, and as stated not everyone has the time or patience for that, which is fair enough. Perk respec is a good workaround for them.

You can't alter race or gender, however, you can alter everything else like war paint, different pre set, hair etc. It's exactly the same editing choices as it is in Helgen, apart from the gender and race options.

Then make your own games. Right now you're getting what Bethesda wants. That's not going to change.

I get what you're talking about, but I think they should just get rid of the whole system. Oblivion did have that problem, but that problem could've been easily fixed. Instead Bethesda went with an entirely different system that goes farther away from a decent system, and has it's own set of problems now.

Some people like to make a jack of all trades character and some like strict character builds. Some like to do everything on one character, others like to have ten characters. Were all different, what bethesda did with the perk trees is remove a whole style of play. We no longer have the freedom to build the character that we want because we are limited to so many perks. Some people like this and thats fine with me. But lots of other people don't, maybe we should be given an option when starting a new character how many perk points we would like to get. Then people can fill the perk trees if they wish while others can make the character building more strict. Everyone gets what they want and no one has to complain obout this any more.

Hopefully they don't keep this system. Saying it's bad is an understatement.

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