No. It's "I paid $60 for the game, so why am I not getting the same type of content, utilities and/or services that PC gamers are getting?"

This...

but I'd likewise expect them to throw console owners a bone as well.

I can appreciate the point about the cost of the game...but I wonder, when it was developed, did they write the codes etc using a console, or a PC? That's why PC'ers are getting the creation kit.

i rather them port the good PC mods to console then have motion controls in the game at all. motion controls are just plain stupid and its sad MS is pushing kinect so hard.

The patch and the CK are separate. They're still working on the patch.

i rather them port the good PC mods to console then have motion controls in the game at all. motion controls are just plain stupid and its sad MS is pushing kinect so hard.

On a less serious note, I could just picture someone standing in a court, explaining that they had been only playing skyrim on Kinect when the police found them standing over their headless significant other.

We don't need LIVE for the updates/patches, correct?

Sorry, but it's just that I cancelled my LIVE membership, so I am not so sure how the offline updating works

BethGS will never play favorites. No mod is more deserving then any other. That is how it should be.

We don't need LIVE for the updates/patches, correct?

Sorry, but it's just that I cancelled my LIVE membership, so I am not so sure how the offline updating works

They played favourites with mod authors this time however.

Keep it plugged in to the internet and you should still get updates. They cant legally keep updates from you because you dont have a 3rd party payed membership.

The mere fact that this is even released on consoles is surprising.

Steam doesn't release sales numbers like console retailers.

With 280,000 concurrent users on launch day, Skyrim http://www.vg247.com/2011/11/11/over-200000-people-playing-skyrim-on-steam/. Sales-wise, http://www.vg247.com/2011/11/16/skyrim-sells-3-5-million-units-in-first-48-hours/, 3.5 million copies of Skyrim had been snapped up, eating up half of the publisher’s initial shipment of 7 million.

Motion controls is a gimmick that will die soon enough.

10 million units of the Kinect sensor had been shipped by March 9, 2011.^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#cite_note-10-million-1} Having sold 8 million units in its first 60 days on the market, Kinect has claimed the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinness_World_Record of being the "fastest selling consumer electronics device".^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#cite_note-10-million-1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#cite_note-Gamasutra-record-19http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#cite_note-CVG-record-20http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#cite_note-Guinness-record-21} According to Wedbush anolyst Michael Pachter, Kinect bundles accounted for about half of all Xbox 360 console sales in December 2010 and for more than two-thirds in February 2011.^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#cite_note-132http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#cite_note-133} More than 750,000 Kinect units were sold during the week of Black Friday 2011.^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#cite_note-134http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#cite_note-135}

So it will give me that normal Update screen, correct?

Okay, we get it. Bethesda will not release a construction set for consoles because Microsoft and Sony won't allow it.

.. but why can't they do something else? Why can't they implement features for motion sensing technologies available for both consoles? Why can't they take better advantage of PSN and XBL? Why can't they take advantage of the ability to use up to 4 controllers on each console?

Sure, it would delay development (which affects PC owners), but if you don't think us console owners were affected by Bethesda choosing to make the game moddable for PC gamers, you're incredibly naive. Hell, we're waiting on 1.4 right now because the CK needs to be tested and Steam Workshop integration is still being fine-tuned -- something that has absolutely nothing to do with consoles, yet we're stuck waiting just like you guys.

I'd also have absolutely no problem with Bethesda making the PC version of the game better for PC gamers, but I'd likewise expect them to throw console owners a bone as well.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/12/16/skyrim-ships-10-million-units-worldwide-sets-steam-record/


280,000 versus 3.5 million (a majority of which are 360 and PS3 sales, which you'd know by looking at http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1317287-skyrim-sales-discussion-10-million-retail-copies-shipped-as-of-dec-15-thread-2/page__fromsearch__1thread. Then again, the 280,000 is from launch day for Steam, not the first 48 hours, but it's nowhere close to 3.5 million.

The Xbrick gets the DLC a month early. Besides that. If 1.4 were merely delayed because of the CK, and it's woeful Steam integration, then Beth could easily release it to the console people already. Since the platform with the most specific issues is the PS3, it's highly likely that that platform is the one to point fingers to if you really wish to seek blame for delays.

If you really had any interest in mods for games you wouldn't have gotten this game for a console in the first place, so I really see no reason to be butt hurt about it. Consoles don't get mods.

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And about having payed more for the game: that's because Sony and MS add their platform premium to the store prices. There's nothing Bethesda can do about that.

Not really, when you compare the number of people playing on consoles compared to those on PC.

Yep.

280,000 versus 3.5 million (a majority of which are 360 and PS3 sales, which you'd know by looking at http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1317287-skyrim-sales-discussion-10-million-retail-copies-shipped-as-of-dec-15-thread-2/page__fromsearch__1thread. Then again, the 280,000 is from launch day for Steam, not the first 48 hours, but it's nowhere close to 3.5 million.