An itemized rant against energy weapons : Fallout: New Vegas

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:21 am

It doesn't look like Better Criticals is applied to the Q-35. 32 base, 62 crit @ 100 energy is 94 on a standard crit, MC puts that at ~140 which is what is listed as a crit damage shot. With Better Criticals it should be ~218.

Edit - Something is still totally wack with that Tri-Beam. I'll look at it real quick.

Yes, you're right. weird. I had it before, but I think copying/pasting formulas messed it up. It wasn't using the right number. I fixed it http://dl.dropbox.com/u/443421/vats.chart.png

LOL. This is looking exactly how I expected it to look. Now it is not at all surprising.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:19 am

miscalculated, nevermind

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:34 pm

Yes, you're right. weird. I had it before, but I think copying/pasting formulas messed it up. It wasn't using the right number. I fixed it http://dl.dropbox.com/u/443421/vats.chart.png

LOL. This is looking exactly how I expected it to look. Now it is not at all surprising.

Haha, yeah. That is much more like what I was expecting. I have to imagine the Plasma Caster should be up there too, though? I didn't use it as much as the Q-35 (understand that I played BtD/F.Shot, crit stacking & -40% AP cost makes it a pretty damn sweet all-purpose weapon) but other than the poop CND it seemed like a good performer as well.

Edit - @Kroo: No, you are correct. Better Criticals only affects the bonus damage granted by the crit and not the base damage. The number I mentioned for the Q-35 is correct as far as that goes, I haven't checked most of the other weapons, but I think he is taking that into account. It looks that way for Pew Pew because the crit damage after Better Criticals is exactly the same as the base damage (one of the few cases where a single shot gun has a lower crit damage than base damage).

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:20 pm

Haha, yeah. That is much more like what I was expecting. I have to imagine the Plasma Caster should be up there too, though? I didn't use it as much as the Q-35 (understand that I played BtD/F.Shot, crit stacking & -40% AP cost makes it a pretty damn sweet all-purpose weapon) but other than the poop CND it seemed like a good performer as well.

Isn't the plasma caster bugged? I never get good damage with it. It seems like it does WAY less damage than what it's supposed to. Or am I wrong here? I generally think of Plasma Caster as a non-VATS weapon, and multiplas as a VATS weapon.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:31 am

Isn't the plasma caster bugged? I never get good damage with it. It seems like it does WAY less damage than what it's supposed to. Or am I wrong here? I generally think of Plasma Caster as a non-VATS weapon, and multiplas as a VATS weapon.

Hmmm... I'll check it out again, I have not played my EW guy in about a week. For some reason I have that the other way around in my head but you might be right. One of them is messed up in VATS and seemed like it never hit anything.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:40 am

energy weapons are a let down in the end. much less options when compared with guns.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:21 pm

Hmmm... I'll check it out again, I have not played my EW guy in about a week. For some reason I have that the other way around in my head but you might be right. One of them is messed up in VATS and seemed like it never hit anything.

That would be the Plasma Caster. It either misses, or does 1 bar of health worth of damage. Sometimes it works, but generally you get way more damage out of it just firing out of VATS.

Also, with the mod, you should probably fire out of vats anyway seeing as the DPS is about 499 or something like that.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:08 am

Haha, yeah. That is much more like what I was expecting. I have to imagine the Plasma Caster should be up there too, though? I didn't use it as much as the Q-35 (understand that I played BtD/F.Shot, crit stacking & -40% AP cost makes it a pretty damn sweet all-purpose weapon) but other than the poop CND it seemed like a good performer as well.

Edit - @Kroo: No, you are correct. Better Criticals only affects the bonus damage granted by the crit and not the base damage. The number I mentioned for the Q-35 is correct as far as that goes, I haven't checked most of the other weapons, but I think he is taking that into account. It looks that way for Pew Pew because the crit damage after Better Criticals is exactly the same as the base damage (one of the few cases where a single shot gun has a lower crit damage than base damage).

Yeah, I was looking at an earlier chart where the crit damages were calculated a bit wrong but in the newer version it was fixed.

And to mystic123: Yes, plasma caster is very buggy in vats. When im using it in VATS it usually shoots like 2/3rds of the shots straight up in the sky instead at the enemies... At least it is very nice outside vats in medium - short distances.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:15 pm

That would be the Plasma Caster. It either misses, or does 1 bar of health worth of damage. Sometimes it works, but generally you get way more damage out of it just firing out of VATS.

Also, with the mod, you should probably fire out of vats anyway seeing as the DPS is about 499 or something like that.

Yeah, I think you're right. I know the real-time DPS was pretty lollerskates because of Fast Shot. I'll have to revisit my character because this thread has made me goop a few more people (that and I'm getting annoyed with my shotgunner because of this stupid reloading bug).

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:55 am

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