I miss the Passwall spell. You guys remember that one?
-Loth

PS When the CK comes out, I will mod back in levitation... get ready to fly, biatches.

I don't like the cities in Skyrim either. With the exception of Solitude and maybe Whiterun, they're all pretty junky. Oblivion had some great cities. Each one was really cool and made me want to venture back as often as I could.

I also really miss the Arena from Oblivion.

I so abused that spell in Arena. It was great

Agree with most, especially how you read my mind in the magic part and a few other parts haha.

Disagree with guards, less law=more fun and them psycically knowing my crimes lik in OB

Man, now I'm getting all nostalgic for spellmaking up a 10000 point Shield spell and Passwalling myself through every dungeon. Wonder if Arena will install on a modern computer...
-Loth

You know what, I agree with you 100%. I could never tell what it was that SK was missing but it just feels kind of incomplete. Mages guild is too short, companions is too short and really bizarre; not to mention it wouldn't let me "heal" myself if you know what I mean. But yes, they left out or didn't have time to put some utility spells in and didn't add enough spells in general. OB had so many spells to buy it was crazy. With SK, there are hardly any compared to past games. I understand they didn't put in spell crafting, but balance it out with a plethora of spells! Yes, you hit it right on the head, it's a FANTASTIC game, just not done yet.

See what set release dates can do?

They do feel deader now don't they, the bards havent helped at all with the 3 songs and a couple of instrumentals. they're all so quite, once youve heard the rumors in riverwood youve heard them all, so much for bar brawls and its true for out of them as well but it doesn't feel as living anymore like walking into one and hearing different people have conversations.

As for the OP I agree with most of those points, especially towns and magic, Id hate to see spell creation back, we don't need 5000 ways to cast "flames" but they needed to have it feel like your a master of destruction casting flames not a master of destruction casting a novice spell, I miss the fun and useful enchantment of ob too, detect life, I hate how it works now...or simply doesnt. And even if they fixed the ability to abuse charmeleon Id still like that as an enchantment. As for guards they have sort of improved them but made them worse at the same time, I hated the pick up an item and have 5 guards pinpoint me and run to me but when a thief attacks me and the near by guard shrieks says somebody help and runs away I draw the line.

this thread is absolutely hilarious. people preferring OBLIVION over skyrim??? hahahahah

the "cities" in oblivion are better than the ones in skyrim??? lmfao you people are unbelievable
the "inns" in oblivion were better? im sorry what? you mean the rooms with 1 or 2 people standing around?? the inns in skyrim are infinitely better. the fireplaces, the bards, the shopkeepers actually ACT like they own the place

you people are ridiculously dumb

good luck getting anyone with a brain to take you seriously

Passwall, levitation, mark & recall, divine intervention... JUMPING/ATTACKING WHILE RUNNING... wearing multiple rings, pauldrons, having actual guilds instead of factions. These and more are all things I wish Skyrim had (okay, maybe passwall was a bit tongue-in-cheek). But to be honest, I think there are some amazing things Skyrim brought to the table, or improved upon from Oblivion. Yes, Oblivion looks so silly and so cartoon-like now that I've been in Skyrim for so long. But I don't know what I'd do without Skyrim's (still toned-down) RadiantAI while playing. With Morrowind it's understandable because you expect them to do only what they're told, and in Skyrim they're usually just smart enough to (eventually) do what they're trying to do on their own. Oblivion was just a sad jumble. I'd love to see Morrowind with RadiantAI... Heck, I'd love to see Skyrim with full-blown RadiantAI.

When I mod back in levitation, it's going to be a concentration spell like the novice destruction spells... I hope you guys don't mind that -- when you get free Alteration school casting from gear reduction, you can hold down the casting key to fly indefinitely to wherever you want. I'll probably end up using the animation sequence from the master spell casting where you hover up, so no attacking while airborne... sorry.

-Loth

PS Probably gonna mod in Mark and Recall, too... but Passwall is out due to how the scene geography works in Skyrim.

You are too obsessed with loot. I never fast travel, only pick up very light loot (nothing over 4 weight), and I quickly amass more gold than I could possibly use. Stop trying to sell everything and the kitchen sink you come across and enjoy the game.



The guards are quick to react in my game. Don't know what you're talking about.



Wolves (and ice wolves), mudcrabs, bears, sabre cats, trolls, bandits, necromancers, spriggans and possibly more I'm forgetting about. Again, don't know what you're talking about.



Agreed. Magic took a heavy blow.



Can't comment as I haven't finished the main quest.



Agreed.



Underwater combat was silly. I'm glad they did away with it.

Now why don't you consider all the things Skyrim improved over Oblivion?

I agree with most of this, especially the guilds part.

Really? Grand? Twelve people and six or seven buildings isn't grand. I'd love to see truly large cities with large crowds of people but the limitations of consoles prevents this. Someday, maybe, but so long as games are made for the X-Box we'll be stuck with 12 people and half a dozen buildings.

I agree with all of these things.
Having played 4 TES games, I have noticed a trend.

They get prettier every time.
But every time we lose more options, more content, more maturity, more game.
At this point its a glorified action/ adventure and really not an RPG.
It really lacks any sort of meat you can hang your roleplay on, with its static world and one-liner npc's, linear quests.

The loss of spellmaking really hurts.
A flagship feature, what made TES popular in the first place, just gone.
In fact, I think all of the things that made me love TES with Daggerfall are gone.

I can hardly call these quest lines 'factions'. They arent factions. Nothing changes, even the so called members treat you the same when you are their leader than they do when you first meet em.
They dont interact with other factions either.

Choice, customisation, freedom.
Gone, gone, gone.
6 Apparel slots instead of the 20+ of Daggerfall. No spellmaking. No fun or utalitarian spells. Cant jump or fly up a mountain, have to glitch up or find the one linear path.

Lore.
What new lore?
Oh yeah, dragons. Instead of going with the amazingly awesome dragons we had in lore we got generic dragons.
Instead of more flesh to the lore we get a dragon war that conflicts with all known time lines.

I think that after over a decade my love affair with TES is over.
It hurts, as does every end to love.
But obviously the market it is aimed at is not me anymore.
TES has left me, I have not left it.
Sigh.

Yes it's all the fault of console gamers! I agree they should be burned st the stake!

thank god i hope you never play the elder scrolls again you whiny crying baby and im sure the devs feel the same

Why are you still posting on these forums then?

Because I want to.
Because I like it.
Because I hope one day the doorbell will ring and it will be TES who wants me back.

Love is patient.

Your the only whining crybaby in this whole thread, you don't or can't maybe argue with any of the points made in this thread that plenty of people will agree with and just insult people because you can't stand the thought of someone not loving every part of your precious Bethesda. Yeah not everyone will agree with everything someone has said but at least those with a brain will make an arguement against the opinion/statement rather then against the person in an attempt to bully them and drive them off the board.

As massively flawed as I think the game is, getting worse ever iteration I hold out hope that the next one will be better, whether they take on board some of the rational thought out arguements people make against some features or on thier own. At least they are more likely to get ideas from make improvements to the game by those willing to speak up and make a case over some blind bully that won't even say "I Love feature X because.....I really hope it returns in the next game you make, it'd be a loss to not put it in."

That said actually just remember from oblivion and check on uesp, a daedric chest piece alone is worth 4800, and they weren't as rare as they are now at high levels so you could end up with multiple sets to sell, most of the merchants in oblivion couldn't even give you the full amount for that alone or whatever the price was based on favour/speech. In that aspect they have improved but they could have gone one further and made loot rarer in dungeons, it'd would have made it harder to make gold, bankrupt multiple shop keeps and you'd probally apprieciate what you do get a whole lot more. A good example of abundant carelessness in just flooding a place with items is Mzulft, near 4000 units of wieght in the place, over 400 bars gained from items melted down in there, so you could not only make a whole dwemer set from it but about 10 of them, if they made that about 400 units of weight with 20 bars gained (the dungeon has been there a while is it really believeable that much usable material would be left unclaimed?) not only could you clear a dungeon with the right stamina/perk/stone/enchanment combination or at least least very little behind though careful choice of what to leave and not "ignoring this room and this one and this one a screw it I need nothing anyway" but when you do leave with the single found ebony item and make 2 carefully choosen pieces of dwemer armor you'd appreciate it a great deal more.

Arena and Daggerfall can be downloaded from the UESP wiki complete with pre-configured DOSBox setups.

Enjoy

How many shops have you been to have an infinite amount of money?
None.

So why would they make it so the shops had infinite money like in Oblivion?

Yeah it may be more annoying having to go around all the cities, but that's the role play factor in the game, it's more realistic.
I totally don't agree with your second point.