Dragon born. Saint or god?

Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:15 am

What leaves me uneasy is how I almost feel urged to be a bit Nord focused in this game (mostly just because of the setting), EXCEPT.. I wonder if making too many Nord centric choices is following more the spirit of Wulfarth than it is Talos or Alessia. Wulfarth was the big "RAWR Skyrim is for the Nords!!!11" figure in his day, and ousted the Alessian pantheon, not to mention butted heads with Talos.. As a mortal, he reinstated the Nord pantheon and had an urge to kill as many elves as possible. It's just uncool. It's not what TES has been about for.. umm.. 20 years or so. How is being a "true Nord" suddenly a good choice?

edit: this is totally unrelated to the thread btw. sorry

It's not unrelated at all. At least I don't find it unrelated. Here's where I get with this: Wulfarth is probably some sort of "avatar" of Tiber Septim/Talos (or vice versa - I am NOT a student of lore....) So.... yes, there's some "nord-centrism" going on backend. The "push" to Nord is pretty obvious - even I made Nord toons the first few.... before the old rebel in me got cranked up. Sometimes, the devs I think tend to maneuver players. It's not always bad.... but I'd prefer they never went there. TES for me has always ALWAYS been about choice in how to play. So when I feel "pushed' I'm not happy....

I do have to say that I think this game is the beginning of a "new generation/era" of TES. So things are maybe in flux right now. I'm willing to wait a while to see where we go from here. Though I still miss the openness of temples - and the availabilty of Akatosh.... and the general belief in the Divines that permeated the previous games. So far, Skyrim (it's FUN, don't get me wrong on that!) is pretty bare in the "belief" area.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Yeah, I thought that too... (that this may be the start of a new generation of TES). Maybe something with more borders and more disparity between regional beliefs. That can be interesting, I guess. I mean, most fantasy is like that.

If that's the case though, we'd never be anything like either Alessia or Talos.. or any other dragonborn. They were unifying figures, not divisive ones, who didn't create more borders between people, but shed them. If we ever became a "god" or "saint", it'd be some Nord one. Or just a revered hero, like Ysgramor.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:17 pm

Yeah, I thought that too... (that this may be the start of a new generation of TES). Maybe something with more borders and more disparity between regional beliefs. That can be interesting, I guess. I mean, most fantasy is like that.

If that's the case though, we'd never be anything like either Alessia or Talos.. or any other dragonborn. They were unifying figures, not divisive ones, who didn't create more borders between people, but shed them. If we ever became a "god" or "saint", it'd be some Nord one. Or just a revered hero, like Ysgramor.

You want the honest-to-godess truth from me on that? I would far prefer to be something more like "just a revered hero" (or even nothing at all...) than some godlike or godly or demi-god-sort-of-canonical-leftover.... I'd FAR prefer Beth never addressed "the Dragonborn" again personally. All of this reminds me ALL too much of Bioware's BG series - with the idiocy of the "child of a god" storyline as if it was something new and wonderful. I hated it then, and I'm not going to be happy about Beth going there now.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:48 am

My dovakin is no saint.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:21 am

My Dovahkiin is an Altmer...so she's already related to the Divines.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:28 pm

My Dovahkiin is an Altmer...so she's already related to the Divines.

Ah.... hmmm. Okay. NOT GOING THERE. *laughing*
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:01 pm

If you were a god, you wouldn't die (not easily at least).

Aren't saints considered good? I know a lot of people who act "less-than-saintly" in Skyrim.

I say third option: something along the lines of "New high king of Skyrim" or hero of legend.

I honestly thought i would eventually become king of something
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:35 pm

If you were a god, you wouldn't die (not easily at least).

Aren't saints considered good? I know a lot of people who act "less-than-saintly" in Skyrim.

I say third option: something along the lines of "New high king of Skyrim" or hero of legend.

I honestly thought i would eventually become king of something

A hero of legend is good. A king, an emperor, a goddess.... Nah. Not interested.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:57 pm

I'm getting tired of plots that don't let me be king. Always the damn sidekick or someone who helps others become king.

Although, I'm fairly sure we're heading in that direction..maybe not in the main game, but it's still possible with DLC. All this time, we keep helping dragonborns or hearing about them. At least now, we get to play one.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:53 pm

But being a god doesn't need aknowledgement nor the need to prove yourself. Most Aedras willed themselves in to existence after Akatosh. If it is possible that Talos can achieve the status of divinity as a mortal, why not the Dragonborn?
That's not exactly the way I would put it. The Aedra essentially built the world out of themselves. Which made them Aedra, not gods. They weren't gods until they were worshipped. In Tamriel, being a god does require worship.

Talos stepped into someone else's shoes. They were pre-existing shoes, they happened to be empty, and he figured out how to fill them.

Absolutely the Dragonborn is set up to be, essentially, the next Shezarrite. He's got a running start. But the finish line is up that way, and you aren't there yet. And there's no reason that ANY mortal can't become a god. Talos is the only god for whom the appropriate act of worship is to plant your foot firmly on his neck and jump - upward.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:23 pm

That's not exactly the way I would put it. The Aedra essentially built the world out of themselves. Which made them Aedra, not gods. They weren't gods until they were worshipped. In Tamriel, being a god does require worship.

Talos stepped into someone else's shoes. They were pre-existing shoes, they happened to be empty, and he figured out how to fill them.

Absolutely the Dragonborn is set up to be, essentially, the next Shezarrite. He's got a running start. But the finish line is up that way, and you aren't there yet. And there's no reason that ANY mortal can't become a god. Talos is the only god for whom the appropriate act of worship is to plant your foot firmly on his neck and jump - upward.

But the question remains, are you a god because you are worshiped? Or are you created or exist as god? Idols are worshipped so are some artifacts. But it doesn't make them god. Whole question relies upon the legitamacy of your divinity. But then are saints divine? Or the sign of divinity in them is merely a blessing of the gods? Begs the question whether Talos or the Septims were truly divine or merely a vessel of the god Akatosh.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:04 pm

Closer to a Daedric Prince, since he/she is and agent of change.
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