thalmor are so pathetic.

Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:18 pm

Nedes arrived in Skyrim to find Falmer and Dwemer. They shared land with each other until the night of tears in which the Falmer attacked and slaughtered most of the nedes. Ysgramor returned with a bunch more and retaliated against the Falmer, who retreated underground. Dwemer enslaved the Falmer. Eventually the dwemer wiped themselves out leaving mutated Falmer and nords as the only occupants of Skyrim. Nords settle in since there is literally no one left in skyrim. Fast forward to the third era. The War of Bend'r-Mahk. Skyrim conquers the reach(Consists of both High Rock and Hammerfell territories). Despite numerous attempts to retake it by both hammerfell and high rock, neither group was ever able to reclaim it. Neither group liked the reachmen living around the area though. Reachmen have a bad rep. Partly due to their mishmash of racial traits, partly due to their practice of hedge magic, and partly due to their sacrificing people to daedra.(They might've been content to let them be with the first two, but that last one probably went over the line)

Plus the reachmen became the forsworn when they made an alliance with the hagravens, who are foul enough.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:18 pm

i think they made 'em all high elves for a reason, easier to hate high elves than wood elves...
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:35 am

They're the faction you love to hate
Exactly my thoughts. I love the Thalmor in Skyrim, they're the best bad guys I've seen in TES yet. Civilized bad guys that coexist in a fragile peace with the Empire instead of actively trying to enslave/destroy everyone like the dragons or Dagon's daedra, and not a secluded and (in comparison to the Empire) minor group with no chance of defeating the Empire like house Telvanni.

And they're not even the big bad major enemies in this game either. That speaks of how great they are. :smile:
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:36 pm

I want to join them on one of my characters for role-play and on my Warrior I want to murder them all. The Thalmor killed my Lydia somehow. I was doing a quest and I noticed Lydia stopped following me. I went back to the quest area and saw her lying there dead. I killed every Thalmor in the place that I could and I took Lydia's gear and put it in her side table draw in her bedroom. My house is lonely now.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:25 pm

im eat they flesh blood <3
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:01 pm

I don't hate the Thalmor for any ideological reason. I hate their one dimensional character.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:25 pm

I wouldn't say Thalmor are "cliche evil". I think that title belongs more to certain Daedra ("rawr, I want to destroy the world" types... including Alduin, actually; which I thought Bethesda pulled off well. Artistically, Dragons are well-done "ultimate evil" characters, even though they fit the archetype of 'perfect evil' flawlessly).

Thalmor represent a geopolitical interest in Skyrim (a world power locked in a 'cold war' with the Empire), during a period of detente that can be adequately compared to WWI-WWII (the mindset of the Thalmor- Elven supremacists, arrogant, religiously intolerant, jingoist, etc.- can also be compared to that of other imperialist powers in real life, but perhaps more adequately to Germany in WWII, given the context of the "Great War" along with a 30 year arms race with the Empire, etc.). It's an interesting persona that Bethesda set up for this faction; one that I don't find cliche at all.

I'd consider joining the Thalmor on my Altmer character if it were possible.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:05 pm

Nedes arrived in Skyrim to find Falmer and Dwemer. They shared land with each other until the night of tears in which the Falmer attacked and slaughtered most of the nedes. Ysgramor returned with a bunch more and retaliated against the Falmer, who retreated underground. Dwemer enslaved the Falmer. Eventually the dwemer wiped themselves out leaving mutated Falmer and nords as the only occupants of Skyrim. Nords settle in since there is literally no one left in skyrim. Fast forward to the third era. The War of Bend'r-Mahk. Skyrim conquers the reach(Consists of both High Rock and Hammerfell territories). Despite numerous attempts to retake it by both hammerfell and high rock, neither group was ever able to reclaim it. Neither group liked the reachmen living around the area though. Reachmen have a bad rep. Partly due to their mishmash of racial traits, partly due to their practice of hedge magic, and partly due to their sacrificing people to daedra.(They might've been content to let them be with the first two, but that last one probably went over the line)

Speaking to Orc chiefs reveals that Orcs were also in Skyrim prior to the Nords and their Strongholds in the Fourth Era are a remnant of that population. So perhaps Skyrim belongs to the Orcs!

As for the Reachmen, I personally think that they should be given control of the Reach as a new province of the Empire. Their culture may seem barbaric to their neighbours, but who are they to impose their own traditions and values onto the Reachmen just because they don't like these traditions? Their practice of human sacrifice as far as we know appears to be voluntary (if we look at the Briarhearts), and as far as we know, the Reachmen weren't aggressive towards their neighbouring kingdoms, they only wanted their own united and independent kingdom (which apparently has its roots in the first era with Red Eagle).
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:42 am

Speaking to Orc chiefs reveals that Orcs were also in Skyrim prior to the Nords and their Strongholds in the Fourth Era are a remnant of that population. So perhaps Skyrim belongs to the Orcs!

As for the Reachmen, I personally think that they should be given control of the Reach as a new province of the Empire. Their culture may seem barbaric to their neighbours, but who are they to impose their own traditions and values onto the Reachmen just because they don't like these traditions? Their practice of human sacrifice as far as we know appears to be voluntary (if we look at the Briarhearts), and as far as we know, the Reachmen weren't aggressive towards their neighbouring kingdoms, they only wanted their own united and independent kingdom (which apparently has its roots in the first era with Red Eagle).

The orcs moved west out of skyrim into the Wrothgarian mountains(Where Orsinium is). They gave up claim of Skyrim and only moved back when the redguards/bretons attacked them.

I seem to recall travellers not doing so well in the forsworn lands. You don't have to be affiliated with anyone for them to attack you. They kill peace delegates.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:04 am

The orcs moved west out of skyrim into the Wrothgarian mountains(Where Orsinium is). They gave up claim of Skyrim and only moved back when the redguards/bretons attacked them.

I seem to recall travellers not doing so well in the forsworn lands. You don't have to be affiliated with anyone for them to attack you. They kill peace delegates.

Orcs claim to have lived in Skyrim for as long as the Orc race has existed (see the Code of Malacath and dialogue with Orcs in-game), and I can believe that claim. Where is your source for them giving up claim of Skyrim and then moving back in? I recall the attack on Orsinium being mentioned in Lord of Souls but nothing about Orcs founding strongholds in Skyrim as a result of that.

And it seemed to me that the forsworn attacks on travellers was the last resort of a people who have been long oppressed by foreign invaders to take back their land. They are committing violent acts, but when they don't have a voice, it's all they can do. See "The "Madmen" of the Reach" by Arrianus Arius. But as I said, unlike the Nords or Imperials, there is no evidence of the Reachmen aggressively attacking their neighbours in wars of conquest, it seems to me that they just want to be left alone to live their own tribal way of life.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:34 am

Orcs claim to have lived in Skyrim for as long as the Orc race has existed (see the Code of Malacath and dialogue with Orcs in-game), and I can believe that claim. Where is your source for them giving up claim of Skyrim and then moving back in? I recall the attack on Orsinium being mentioned in Lord of Souls but nothing about Orcs founding strongholds in Skyrim as a result of that.

And it seemed to me that the forsworn attacks on travellers was the last resort of a people who have been long oppressed by foreign invaders to take back their land. They are committing violent acts, but when they don't have a voice, it's all they can do. See "The "Madmen" of the Reach" by Arrianus Arius. But as I said, unlike the Nords or Imperials, there is no evidence of the Reachmen aggressively attacking their neighbours in wars of conquest, it seems to me that they just want to be left alone to live their own tribal way of life.

Daggerfall/Lord of Souls

I never said they founded strongholds afterwards, I said they moved back into the ones they abandoned.

I'm not getting my way, instead of talking to travellers and perhaps making it seem like we're not bloodthirsty savages trying to kill everyone, I think I'll just kill everyone.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:40 pm

Since Nords are the decendants of the first men anyway, aren't they in the right to call the Reach their own? Bretons like the Reachmen are basically decendants of tue Nords anyway.

And let's not forget that killing off tribal cultures was very useful for many civilizations in our world. Like North America. The Spanish cracked even other civilizations like te Aztecs to prepare the way of every South American country today. The Romans beat many Celtic and German tribes to establish their culture just so that the Germans later drove the Celts away for example in Switzerland.

I'd say Nords vs Forsworn is basically a war over cultural influence while Thalmor vs mankind is a pure race war, aimed at total destruction of one race.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:47 pm

Daggerfall/Lord of Souls

I never said they founded strongholds afterwards, I said they moved back into the ones they abandoned.

I'm not getting my way, instead of talking to travellers and perhaps making it seem like we're not bloodthirsty savages trying to kill everyone, I think I'll just kill everyone.

But where did you get the idea that the orcs abandoned their strongholds? Nothing about that in Lord of Souls, and I don't recall anything like that being in Daggerfall either. They've always been in Skyrim.

And what will playing nice with travellers achieve against the iron fist of Skyrim? They played nice when they took over the Reach around the time of the Great War. It ended with mass execution of their people by Ulfric Stormcloak and his militia.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:03 pm

I think they are interesting. And yeah they are definitely easy/fun to hate lol. I do have a few characters that would sympathize though.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:51 pm

But where did you get the idea that the orcs abandoned their strongholds? Nothing about that in Lord of Souls, and I don't recall anything like that being in Daggerfall either. They've always been in Skyrim.

And what will playing nice with travellers achieve against the iron fist of Skyrim? They played nice when they took over the Reach around the time of the Great War. It ended with mass execution of their people by Ulfric Stormcloak and his militia.

The reachmen revere and admire the hagravens. That tells volumes about their cultural character. No sense of honor either.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:16 pm

The reachmen revere and admire the hagravens. That tells volumes about their cultural character. No sense of honor either.

They have cultural traits which the Nords don't like. Does that give the Nords the right to impose their own culture on the region? It's up to them how they live.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:17 pm

Why hate the Thalmor more or less than the Storms or Eps? They're all just trying to install themselves as the latest crimial, err government, overlords?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:46 pm

Why hate the Thalmor more or less than the Storms or Eps? They're all just trying to install themselves as the latest crimial, err government, overlords?

They are all Imperialists, but IMO the Empire are the lesser of three evils. The Thalmor seem intent on enslaving/destroying other races, and many Stormcloaks look down on other races and cultures. The Empire isn't perfect, but it seems to be the least racially motivated faction of the three.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:08 am

Thalmor >>>>>>>>>> Empire/Stormcloacks
Both Empire and Stormcloacks are idiots and Thalmor's puppets.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:20 am

My main character is a Dunmer, though I have a little used Nord and recently created a Breton, and I despise the Thalmor. I've had people telling me that "my kind" is responsible for the Talos ban, and the war with the Empire. That is not true. I despise the Thalmor and the bad name they are giving all elves. And the Thalmor, in turn, look down on me as a member of a "lesser" race. I have attacked every patrol I have come across. Once, this forced me to kill an Imperial courier, as he witnessed it and I was still had a bounty on me after killing them. This led to one of my favorite screenshots as I got a kill cam of me shoving my sword through his back. Though with the AI scripting, some farmers were mourning the death of another patrol I took out.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:22 pm

I didn't know that being so unbelievably cliche evil that they literally kick puppies, speak with an obnoxious arrogant accent, randomly invent reasons to pick fights with you, have twirly moustaches they play with while saying "mwahahahaha," tie innocent girls to railroad tracks, never say or do anything nice and only perform pure evil meant they were "great villians."

Am I the only one who would much rather ignore the Thalmor because they're so cliche they actually break my immersion? I dunno, it just bothers me that you can -LITERALLY- identify the villian by their tone of voice, word-choice and every single other characteristic possible.

To me the Thalmor are so detestable because they are a quasi-facist regime and are religious zealots. As for the voice, the tone of voice does play a big part. See, the tone is "arrogant," and maybe it's just me but arrogance just sets me off. If that's too cliche, I can't argue it. I just enjoy easily hateable villains. By comparison, I can barely choose a side in the civil war because neither side is really "wrong" in my book, so it eventually just comes down to the role I'm playing (mage-neutral, barbarian-stormcloak, knight-legion, etc).
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