Cons To Joining Imperials?

Post » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:05 am

Third, one can never convince an entire populace to rebel on property rights alone. It is clear that what upsets the Nords most is the infringment on their culture and their worship of a person they consider a god being made illegal and punishable by even death in some cases. Ulfric takes up this cause. If he is not devout, he is insincere about one of the major reasons for leading the rebellion. And that ties back to what so many NPCs say about him.

It seems that freedom to worship Talos was Ulfric's initial motivating factor. Whether it still is could be debatable. Igmund offered it to him as payment in Markarth, and so far as we know, nothing else was asked for. Once the city was taken, there was no talk about him continuing to lead armies around or making moves for additional power. He stayed there until the Thalmor and the Empire forced them to reneg the deal and arrested him. The priestess of Talos in Windhelm notes that Ulfric often comes in praying for strength. Quite a long bit of work to keep up a facade.
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Post » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:18 am

Seems to me that when we start questioning someone's (even a fictional someone) sincerity or their character or their religious beliefs...esp. in the absence of real substantive evident to support it...we have already lost the battle of truth and rationality. Already lost the argument.

And to the extent that our accusations exclude the possibility of the accused having the ability to defend himself and all the "evidence" depends on third-party, speculative hearsay, we, de facto...in RL...abandon all pretense to a presumption of innocence.
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Post » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:55 am

I get the impression that many see it as a choice between two evils and they simply side with the one they think is the lesser one of them.

Exactly, which makes the lack of a "me" option rather strange. One thing I really liked about FNV was that we could choose the Republic, Legions, House, our ourselves. In Skyrim we can choose Stormcloaks, Empire, or neither. I know Oblivion did FNV but the lack of an "ourselves" option in Skyrim was quickly noticeable to me. Depending on how you play it you can end up with some powerful allies like the Companions, Grey Beards, Blades, Dark Brotherhood, Winterhold, not to mention a couple of Jarls. Given the groups that end up owing you, big time, its not like the dragonborn really needs the Stormcloaks or the Empire. He/She could probably boot out Tullius and get Ulfric back in line with relative ease. So why doesn't he/she do it?

Maybe we'll see a "me" option in an xpac but it not being an option in Skyrim does seem a bit odd to me.
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Post » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:25 am

Exactly, which makes the lack of a "me" option rather strange. One thing I really liked about FNV was that we could choose the Republic, Legions, House, our ourselves. In Skyrim we can choose Stormcloaks, Empire, or neither. I know Oblivion did FNV but the lack of an "ourselves" option in Skyrim was quickly noticeable to me. Depending on how you play it you can end up with some powerful allies like the Companions, Grey Beards, Blades, Dark Brotherhood, Winterhold, not to mention a couple of Jarls. Given the groups that end up owing you, big time, its not like the dragonborn really needs the Stormcloaks or the Empire. He/She could probably boot out Tullius and get Ulfric back in line with relative ease. So why doesn't he/she do it?

Maybe we'll see a "me" option in an xpac but it not being an option in Skyrim does seem a bit odd to me.
I agree. It seems to me that if anyone is going to be the next High King of Skyrim, it ought to be the Dragonborn. You know, the one who saved the world? That would make a good DLC, but it would be hard to write, since there is no telling what sort of allies/enemies your character may have created along the way.
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Post » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:28 am

i hated those Thalmor but ended up joining the imperials hey im there race
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Post » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:23 am

What death squads? I've completed the imperials side and haven't seen any death squads. Other than justiciars traveling the roads, unless your referring to the ones in Markarth?
The ones that capture talos warshipers and, well, lead them off somewhere to be tortured and killed.They are only in imperial controled holds, and spread to holds you claim for the imperials.

Dont get me wrong, I support the empire most of the time, but while some will argue that imperial victory=worse for thalmor, by helping the imperials, you can actualy see their influance spread across skyrim, while the other is dependent upon speculation(for now).
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Post » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:04 am

I provided a headcount in every hold and assigned them based on the hold’s allegiance of the Jarl, who in every hold represents the disposition of the majority of people. As I mentioned divisions exist in every hold, such as the Grey manes of Whiterun and the non-Nords of Windhelm, so if you’re honestly rejecting my findings out of a non-bias nature, then I’m not sure what you want. Unless you go door to door with all of the 984 NPCs in Skyrim for an interview, and bring an audio recording of that interview before a grand counsel of 100 Grey Beard Elders for deliberation before that side that person supports is agreed upon, then I’m not seeing a better method. I’m also not sure what you mean by your Whiterun grievance, I included two imperial results, one that included Whiterun and one that excluded Whiterun in its tally. My reasoning for this being that regardless of the side Dragonborn supports, Ulfric attacks Whiterun, who in turn sides with the Empire as a result, part of the natural evolution of the situation that has no input from Dovahkiin. I’ve already addressed the division problem, as I originally did in my original post that no one seemed to finish reading. Separating the Grey manes would undoubtedly lead to more complete examination that is far more complex, and would include things like the Dark Elves in Windhelm who represent a lot larger chunk of population than the Greymanes. It would also lead to the inclusion of the towns and villages, of which the Empire has quite a few more of. My evaluation was a simple one that took over an hour to complete, and as I’ve said if you wish for a more in-depth and precise anolysis, then be my guest to do so. However, the results speak for themselves, the Stormcloaks are a minority opinion in Skyrim. I hope I don’t need to explain why I’m not going to respond to the Forsworn comment, let alone the far more absurd Ulfric one.

I totally agree with you. The other guy just isn't willing to accept a carefully researched arguement, with facts backing it up. And he's being a dike about it.
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Post » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:54 pm

it's because 90% of old people in skyrim are douchbags, all young people are cool.

Try listening to the conversations of Balgruufs kids, or even try talking to some of them. Then decide if you still think all the young people are cool.

Yeah I think the biggest con is that Riften gets even more corrupt and nasty with Maven in charge. I hate her and would love to piss on her decapitated corpse. But I can't and it frustrates me to no end. They should make a couple quests about Riften for the really good characters.

Yeah, thats a loss, on the other hand there are some favorable gains jarl wise to working with the empire....

Idgrod Ravencrone keeps her throne. Which is good cause she is awesome, and can be a useful ally if you befriend her before doing the diplomatic immunity quest.
Skald gets replaced, Skald is a glory seeking idiot who isn't fit for the throne he sits on.
Igmund keeps his throne, not the brightess bulb on the planet, but you don't really want a Silverblood on the throned do you?
Korir gets replaced, this is good news if you're a mage or mage lover.
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