No wonder people hate the game.. : V - Skyrim

» Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:14 am

And having the dragons and trolls isn't? It's a fatansy genre for Akatosh sake.

Just about to post it's a fantasy game, as he mentioned realism.... LOL

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:16 pm

Hello Everybody !

Finally I can post again , and here's something I came across..

I saw a few Live Streams of Skyrim , just to see how other people play.
Anyway the ONLY ( yes the only ) things I saw were:

Power-Gamers
People who play the opposite of Role-Playing

You see , someone was fighting a dragon , he carried something around 50 potions , paused the game for two minutes just to take 20 of them :dry:

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Someone who played Dawnguard , before the quest began ( in Volkihar's castle , no spoilers here ) he Fast Traveled to Dawnguard's HQ ( Opposite places in Skyrim ) to take some things.

Sure , if people are having fun with that , I don't care , but after I see whines like " I can kill a dragon in 5 seconds " or something like " I finished the game in 5 minutes " , it only makes me sad to see how people are playing.

It was too easy for you ? I want to see you with 3 potions ( something NORMAL you can carry ) Bow and Sword without 50 other sets of Armor taking this dragon down.

:dry:

I agree with you. On my main character I got the best equipment I could and as fast as I could. It totally wrecked the game!

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:33 pm

TBH, these youtubers that play the game, don't complain that it's easy though, or not the ones I've seen, they merely put up the gameplay that gets a lot of views, games like COD, or Skyrim, Battlefield, play through it, and then move on, they play there way, cause once they get their views and moneyz, it doesn't matter.... Let them play how they like...

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:46 pm

I see no difference between someone carrying around 10,000 potions and others having their character run around kitted out from head to toe in heavy armour day in, day out. Unless we're talking about heavy armoured horse back infantry, i highly doubt wearing heavy armour can be worn for prolonged periods of time. Especially some of the gear at the top end of the scale. Add to that, i highly doubt swinging a two handed weapon would come naturally either under those conditions. But you know what, it's only a game and for that very reason, individuals are free to do with it as they wish.

It can be ~if you are used to it, and it was (by some); and you get stronger for wearing it too.
Heavy armor weigh about 45 to 65 pounds +/-, but it's distributed across your whole body; it's not like you were carrying it in your arms.
Some guys can do cartwheels in some of those suits

that just simply goes against everything i've read on the subject. we're talking about medieval type armour here, not modern lightweight alternatives. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14204717

Okay, so first off.. Can we really not see a difference between carrying 10,000 potions or even 200 or even 100 potions and the idea that it may be too tiring to wear heavy armor??

Second thought, we're okay with dragons, frost trolls, vampires, werewolves. But we are using scientific proof that the armor wasn't realistic to wear for long periods?

Oy-vay... :blink:

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:01 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch&v=0kKLgSTkCEo
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=WMuNXWFPewg

your links aren't working. Like i edited into my initial post doing those type of things you mentioned is nonsense after trekking over uneven terrain or walking for days on end..

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:56 pm

Oblivion and Morrowind has limit on how many potion you can drink at a time. But now that they remove it, it's better I think those that want to RP can simply limit themselve and thosethat don't can drink as many potions as possible as long as they don't complaint combat is easy.

They could have a system similar to the Witcher 2 were you can only drink potions out side combat in meditation sate, and you can only ingest curtain amount of potions at one time depending on your alchemy skill. Also remove potions that instantly restore health and just have the ones that improve regeneration.

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:23 pm

your links aren't working. Like i edited into my initial post doing those type of things you mentioned is nonsense after trekking over uneven terrain or walking for days on end..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=WMuNXWFPewg&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=0kKLgSTkCEo (this one has some annoying tune to it.)

The new software has been a pain since day one.

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:25 pm

They could have a system similar to the Witcher 2 were you can only drink potions out side combat in meditation sate, and you can only ingest curtain amount of potions at one time depending on your alchemy skill. Also remove potions that instantly restore health and just have the ones that improve regeneration.

I'm not sure I'd understand how my ability in alchemy impacts how I can drink. So if I have no alchemy skill and buy a potion from a trader will I not be able to drink it at all?

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:58 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=WMuNXWFPewg&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=0kKLgSTkCEo (this one has some annoying tune to it.)

The new software has been a pain since day one.

A guy rolling around for mere minutes doesn't prove anything. I could run a short distance with a backpack of lead, doesn't mean it's possible to run around with that weight on a long trek. Heat exhaustion, chafes and every other issue medieval knights faced would soon come into play, no matter how fit or strong i happened to be. Heavy armour was and is only practical for short bursts of time. Unless off course you're riding around on horse back taking the strain off your legs.

» Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:16 am

I'm not sure I'd understand how my ability in alchemy impacts how I can drink. So if I have no alchemy skill and buy a potion from a trader will I not be able to drink it at all?

Well I think its got something to do with intoxication threshold you cant take to many potions because you become over intoxicated your knowledge of alchemy increases your intoxication threshold so you gain more potion slots some thing like that.
Just an idea to stop potion spamming.

» Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:03 am

A guy rolling around for mere minutes doesn't prove anything. I could run a short distance with a backpack of lead, doesn't mean it's possible to run around with that weight on a long trek. Heat exhaustion, chafes and every other issue medieval knights faced would soon come into play, no matter how fit or strong i happened to be. Heavy armour was and is only practical for short bursts of time. Unless off course you're riding around on horse back taking the strain off your legs.

Nothing would prove it then; did you not hear him say that the weight of the armor is ½ what a modern Marine wears in the field? And that most of those myths are 'utter nonsense'?

** How about this... Why did anyone risk their lives wearing that deathtrap if it was as you believe it to be? ~It's because it wasn't.

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:46 pm

This is a problem to me... RPGs were challenge games until recently.

You should've seen the recent "They really need to nerf alchemy and enchanting" series of threads :lmao:

» Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:21 am

Nothing would prove it then; did you not hear him say that the weight of the armor is ½ what a modern Marine wears in the field? And that most of those myths are 'utter nonsense'?

** How about this... Why did anyone risk their lives wearing that deathtrap if it was as you believe it to be? ~It's because it wasn't.

I think you're missing my point. I never once said heavy armour is a death trap, nor did i insinuate it was. It obviously had its uses, that there is no denying. What i am saying, walking around with heavy armour day in, day out, over uneven terrain, climbing steep hills and the likes is going to take it's toll on any man. The link i provided points towards heavy armour being unsuitable for the reasons i have given.

I also don't see why modern military armour should have a bearing on this discussion as it may be heavier, but different materials are used and they aren't walking around with steel leggings and boots. Ever tried to hike long distances with anything heavier than walking boots? It's just not going to happen. Doing a 100 mile hike wearing Steel or iron plated boots would be a killer. Walking through mud ridden fields wearing lead weights on your legs and feet is gonna take its toll.

If you don't believe me, try running on a beach with a pair of pit boots. It saps the energy right out of you.

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:04 pm

Stay on topic :sadvaultboy:

» Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:22 am

The topic ended when you said this:

I Role-Play like a maniac , that's why it's fun for me.

» Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:59 am

A lot of people don't RP in Skyrim because it isn't a good RPG and there isn't much room for it.

Then keep in mind that some people don't have fun roleplaying at all and the way they play is the most fun for them.

"They hate Skyrim because they play in a way I don't enjoy" Just think about that for a second because that's what this thread is about.

Pre-Skyrim I played through Sacred 2, Dragon Age Origins and The Witcher 2 on the highest difficulties possible (I believe Dark Mode was just released). I'm used to being challenged by games and want to be challenged by games. This is the reason that I've spent most of my gaming time on multiplayer games such as RTS, FPS and DotA 2. And what is all this "powergame so bad ug ug" garbage being thrown around? You either play to the best of your ability which most players out there do or you play badly on purpose to give the game some false depth. Just because someone is better than you at games doesn't make them a power gamer.

» Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:41 am

And they still are. Skyrim is no RPG.

Heere we go again. :3

» Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:01 pm

i guess i'm confused here by the op.....since most of the rp'ing actually takes place in your head.....how would you stream that? so what if someone wants to carry a bunch of pots? the game is designed to allow you to play it like you want and it's really up to the player to "get" the most out of it.

also, you make a severe generalization when you post "everybody hates the game". this really isnt productive posting.....