I guess I was expecting too much from it I guess.... I killed General Tallius, and stood by Ulfric all throughout the speech thinking, "Oh man he's going to make me a Jarl!" Mainly because there would be no more Jarl for wind helm, he would make me it, or give me Jarl status for another city. But NOOOO, I can't, I just get a thank you and his sword for liberating SKYRIM. Ulfric really is a GIANT dike.

Ulfric is a greedy [censored]. Tis why every character after my first one has joined the Legion.

I just finished Imperial side. It isn't much better. A sword and Ulfric's clothing.

lol....I cant help but laugh when you call him a dike.


But hey atleast you can be GM of every guild in less than a day, your more than a jarl!

Know what you mean. Here I am, a loyalist that has bleed for the Empire and was a big factor in taking Windhelm, what does Tullius do? He puts some guy I never heard of as Jarl because he is loyal to the Empire...really...where was he in the war!?

I think he should have rewarded me with that sweet armor of his.

Ulfric's clothes and Tullius armor are at least very snazzy and the clothes probably will the only reason I continue the civil war quest line with my other characters, but yeah you really don't get much from either side at the end.

The problem is it's backwards. I wanted some distinguished armor for being the greatest Imperial in Skyrim. And maybe Jarlship for a town under Stormcloak control for Ulfric's side.

I mean really.

Sadly, this has always been a thing. Wanted Dark Seducer armor? Side with the golden saints! Makes total sense >_>

So now it seems my next Imperial roleplay will be a "Stormcloak" anyway.

Yeah, that always pissed me off. I hated the backwards thing, I love Tallius's armor, but I'm a Stormcloak! Ill look out of place wearing golden imperial armor.

It's not just TES that does this, Obsidian did it in New Vegas: Lonesome Road

Lonesome Road Spoilers:

Why would he make you Jarl? As far as he's concerned you're a soldier, not a leader of people.

He's not making you Jarl for the same reason we don't give veterans high ranking political positions; they may have done enough to warrant such a reward, but they can't actually do the job. Someone who spends their time running around thieving, killing and hunting dragons would be worse than useless as a Jarl, when the people will ultimately rely on him.

You get get promoted enough to where you are one of his trusted officers, and Windhelm no longer had a Jarl, so yeah. If we can become Thanes, then perhaps we could've become Jarls.

Gee. I remember I heard Tulius say (Before we conquered Windhelm) that the Emperor would award those who fight in the Windhelm battle greatly. And what did I get? A bloody sword, an elven sword.



Yet that other Legate got an advisory position for the new government in Windhelm. She didn't do anything except bark orders at me 'SOLDIER, do this', 'SOLDIER, do that' even when I was promoted to Legate she still felt like calling me 'Soldier'.'

I stand by what I said, you'd be absent 90% of the time and unable to do your job as local ruler and protector. You would be unable to do the job, therefore it would be stupid to give it to you.

Yeah, rewards for the Civil War are pretty bad, only a couple swords and whatever you take from the enemy. I too wished for some officer or higher quality armor to show that I pretty much spearheaded the entire war and all but demolished the enemy.

Mods will tackle this eventually though, or at least give us a copy of Ulfric/Tullias armor.

You do realize, since you never stay in one place for a long time (atleast most of us) you'd made a really, really [censored] Jarl. >_>

That doesn't help 360 users.

I think this is also why the Companions and College are structured as they are: they're run on a largely informal basis that doesn't require a single person sitting there making decisions all day.

Being a Jarl would be a full-time political job - your character might become one story-wise after he retires from a life of looting and pillaging, but the two don't go together.

No, it doesn't. I'd like Bethesda to implement something like this themselves, but unfortunately it seems like a small chance to me. It all depends on what they plan on using the new patching system for, whether it will be solely for technical issues and bugs or if they'll cater to requested fixes, such as the magic scaling issue and the poor quality of rewards from the Civil War quest chains (a much lesser issue in comparison to the aforementioned one, so even less likely to be patched).

I don't like the ending. I expected more, and there should be more. You should still be able to continue on, even after the war, and possible having another big event happening.

I'm still pissed that I didn't get to be Emperor at the end of Oblivion...such is life

History is filled with military minds who move on to become a political force, using both their intellect (necessitated by the nature of a leadership role) and the fame and respect gathered while campaigning to propel them into the political foray.

And it's really irrelevant, because the society upon which the Nord civilization is based revered one's personal strength as well as their ability to lead in addition to their wealth in order to determine succession. There is no real reason you can't, other then the simple answer that 'It wasn't programmed into the game.'

Sometimes the simple answer is the right one. There's really no need to delve into complex examination of why something wasn't included, because the truth is they couldn't include everything. I think at one point during the stormcloak path Ulfric says he has to elect a new Jarl for Windhelm, but he also says that he'll need to prepare for the impending Aldmeri invasion as well. Neither of these things actually happen, but that doesn't preclude their inclusion in mods or official DLC.


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That's always been an issue of contention for me; that the hero is no better than an anonymous sellsword.

I disagree on one thing: plenty of monarchs began their careers as thieves and brigades.

i'm extremely disappointed that you can't become a jarl.

alternatively, i really cannot wait until the mod community starts to really pick up......

That's what I'm thinking.

A mod could come out that basically allows you to become "High Thane" (similar to Champion in Oblivion) of Skyrim, and you could get a castle complete with luxuries and soldiers in the country for it.

Maybe the requirements could be Thane in every Hold and having won the war for either side. Someone who's awesome at modding: As soon as the Construction Set comes out, GET TO WORK ON THIS. Really, a modder could just use any of the existing old castles in the wilderness. The player would have to clear it out, of course, and perhaps purchase repairs, decorations, and soldiers for it from someone.

Also, I think I'd rather be a High Thane than a Jarl. Unless your character is old and weary from the war and dragon-slaying and wants to settle down and rule over an entire Hold, I think most characters would prefer to be a Champion-like person, adventuring and helping the populace of the entire province as opposed to setting taxes and doing paperwork as a Jarl of a hold.