As much as i loved new vegas, the invisible walls are really anoying. Makes you feel like a mouse in a maze.

dude.. its still a sandbox game man ive been walking everywhere....lol quit flipping [censored] over the little things

What I've was told about this is that many of the barriers are there to simplify the area for the NPC AI. Removing them is possible, but may affect NPC behavior.

Um....I'll just hope you forgot the letter p there guy.

Yeah, there does seem to be some issue with AI's sticking to the navmesh, I noted this on several occasions, a couple of them stuck in ground or rocks, and a lot of them trying to walk through objects.

Invisible walls are bad no matter how derpy you are about it.

yup.. so why [censored] if you cant do anything about it? its like [censored]ing about the sun being to bright ....obsidion either will or wont take them out, probably not, but in the end... who cares just take that extra time to walk around and get over it.

The only time I've really been annoyed was when I was trying to get to a small great khan encampment near the quarry, and even though it was like 100 feet away I just couldn't find a way to get to it, took me about 15 minutes and multiple fast travels to different points.

I love this game but I can't stand the invisible walls nor the amount of useless buildings which I can not enter and explore.

If Obsidian isnt aware we dont like invisible walls they will be around in the next game also. People give feedback, both good and bad, so that the franchise can be improved. Posting "U CARNT DO NUFFIN BOUT IT" is a waste of your time and everyone elses who reads your posts.

Fingers crossed, the DC interiors modders are on the task!, definitely too many facades, one area near new vegas is especially obvious, it looks like farm land with about half a dozen houses, I believe only one is enterable.

For my own two caps:

• If we keep calling Fallout: New Vegas "Fallout 4," it's going to start getting really confusing when Bethesda makes the next Fallout game, and we suddenly we end up with two games with the "same" name. :shrug: I didn't decide on the naming conventions used for this franchise (which makes about as much logical sense as you'd expect from a different company having worked on every single one of it's games.) But, that's what they decided to call it, so it's probably just easier to go with that.
  
  
• IIRC, Fallout 3 had lots of invisible walls, as well. Aren't you even turned back from the edge of the World Map by nothing more complicated or integrated than a text-message?
  
  
• I haven't run into that many arbitrary walls in New Vegas, thus far - but then again, I'm not so much the "explore every inch" sort of player. If I don't see some sort of landmark or compass notification off in the distance, I'm probably not going to go exploring there. (Which probably explains why I usually go for that "Explorer" perk so often...) That's (obviously) just me, though.

To be fair, Fallout 3 had a lot of misaligned boulders as well. The unofficial patch fixed a lot of them. One obvious one near the BoS base I fixed myself with the GECK, because it bothered me every time I passed it.

But yeah, the invisible walls in NV are annoying. I was doing an assassination quest, found a nice hill to snipe from, got half-way up and... doh! All the broken quests and other glitches (like NPCs falling through the terrain, or their AI freezing, or the broken crafting menus), are more annoying though. NV could have done with another two or three months play testing and bug fixing. In its present state it's a VERY rough diamond, which is a shame.

Fallout 3s invisible walls were at the absolute end of the map on the PipBoy and as far as I know there were none within the map itself unlike FNV.

Why do you bring up Fallout 4? it havent even been released yet. And do you have anything against ''Poor Paint Job''? Personally i think Fallout 4 will be amasing even if we dont know anything about it. Bethesda can get help from alot of guys like the guys from Id and others^^

That's actually the definition of free roam.

The map is important in any "sandbox" game. The same could be said for Fallout: New Vegas



That's happened to me in just about every game I've played, Fallout 3 included.



Refer to my last statement.



So you've seen seven mistakes in the soil, out of how many soil samples? There's tons of soil texture in Fallout: New Vegas. Also, calling something a rookie mistake is a little harsh. Especially if you aren't versed in how environments are made in games (it takes a long time and a team of people.).



Admittedly, invisible barriers are very annoying. This is something I can agree with. Fallout 3 did avoid this by making places they didn't want the player to go truly inaccessible.



The world would likely be very cold after a war that wiped out most of the Earth's vegetation. Without plants to hold in moisture, temperature plummets. It's this that makes deserts extremely cold at night.

1st, this is not Fallout 4, Fallout 4 is most likely going to be developed by Bethesda. Fallout: New Vegas is a spin-off by Obsidian.

2nd, Fallout 1 and 2 were made in the 90's, Bethesda but the rights to it a few years back and made Fallout 3, they let Obsidian develop New Vegas, while they, hopefully, work on Elder Scrolls V or Fallout 4.

And, I think fallout new vegas is a great game, on par with Fallout 3, give or take a "few" bugs.

[quote name='solid' date='06 November 2010 - 01:40 PM' timestamp='1289068851' post='16640378'][quote name='Gizmo']Does Sandbox mean "free roam" to most people?[/quote]
That's actually the definition of free roam.
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I've since looked into it, and this is what I found first...


Now I understand why so many posted in disbelief when I mentioned that I can't stand "Sandbox" games. They mistook the meaning for "Open World".

So if I'm trying to play creatively and stopped by an invisible wall, does it mean it's failed as a sandbox game? Because NV does force you to tackle situations the way the designers intended rather than play creatively and come up with your own solutions.

I think not... When it says "boundless of structural constraints", its not meaning physical [walls], it more likely means "without structured activities".

Yeah, if we're calling Fallout New Vegas Fallout 4 because it shares the Fallout name, then we actually need to call it, what, Six? And Fallout 3 needs to be Fallout 5. This could lead to some very confusing discussion.

There have been, as said, six fallout games. Everyone has their own opinions on which is the best, the worst, and which ones are disgrace to the series. Fallout: New Vegas takes from F1 and F2 as much as it takes from F3. Personally, it feels more fallout-y to me then Fallout 3 does. I'm not going to suggest we start calling it Fallout 3 and Fallout 3 'Fallout: DC Wastelands' or so on, though. That would be silly.

Fallout 3 had places where I got stuck in ramps/walls, fell through the world, and floating objects, too. Try playing it without the community patch for a while, you'll find them. Fallout: New Vegas is buggy and should be called on it as releasing buggy games to customers really is Uncool and publishers should be more aware of it, but let's not take exaggeration too far: Fallout 3 had its own bugs. Many of them similar, actually.

Tactics and BOS (aka POS) weren't rpgs and aren't really considered cannon, even by the devs of FO 1 and 2. Personally, the only bad game out of the bunch was BOS which was developed for the poop station 2. Tactics is kind of a Jagged Alliance 2 wannabe and is actually pretty fun if a bit baffling in how it handles the fallout lore (recruitable ghouls, mutants and... deathclaws??!!)

I agree that Vegas feels more Fallout-like and hope Obsidian gets a shot at deving 4, although I have to say that the "my dev can beat up your dev" retardation that has been going on here since NV was released is.. well, [censored]. Games are either good or bad regardless of who develops/publishes. Beth and OE could fold tomorrow and I wouldn't give a rat's [censored]. All I care about are the games. Fanboyism regarding an IP I can understand, but fanboyism for a devhouse/publisher stinks of aspergers. Both Beth and OE have made cool games and both have dumped some serious logs into the stained bidet that is the post-PC video game industry.

Hmmm FO 3 really worked well......... FO NV, make your own mind up. Thumbs down for all the glitches. You rememebr the Treyarch / Infinity Ward COD games differences? This game had to be out for the Christmas period. That's the gut feel I have gotten from playing or should I say trying to play this game.

My problem with the invisible walls is not that they are walls, it's that they are invisible!

A huge part of my love for FO3 and FNV is the immersion-- and FNV has such awesome, broad and deep story, and wonderful visual design, and all that tasty, engrossing goodness... and then you scramble up a totally real looking rock, and just as you get to the part where it's less steep, *boink.* You are stopt.

It boots me right out of the brilliant game I've been playing ('til 3 and 4 am some nights) and into my chair at home. The fact that the rest of the game is sooooooo awesome weirdly magnifies how annoying it is to be punted by something so easily fixable.

For all you hardworking devs, if your managers or art directors say it's not worth the time to clean as much of this stuff up as you possibly can, THEY ARE WRONG, and they are throwing all the hard hours of labor they paid you for out the window.

If there's some place you don't want me to go for story reasons, or for NPC related technical reasons, then great.
Put one of your beautiful, realistic rocks in my way.
Put one of your nice, believable piles of rubble. A fallen tree. A hedge.
Make the hill steeper. Or move the wall down to the steep part.
If you don't want me going over a fence, make it 8 feet tall.

Don't let me get to the top and then stop me.

FO3 had very little of this. The quantity of it in FNV is pretty destructive to the game, as many here have expressed.

'k that's all. [/rant]