i use my knife and fork back to front anyway but yeah giveing left handed scissors to a right hander is good to show ppl that are arrogant, but i dont see that here, i see lots of iddeas for the op, plus beth put in bind to arrow keys and so many ppl use custom keyboards and mouses, if you game and spend 1000 pound of a pc hell even 500 why not spend 100 on the mouse and keyboard, those are the bits you have to intetact with everytime you use it no matterif your wrighting a letter or slaying dragons.

Still think it's strange, you are basically forcing people to spend more money on something they could have build relatively easy themselves. Thankfully there is a mod to fix this problem out there, but Beth should really have considered this.

ye i agree there are alot of solutions to the problem i'm just pointing that we should not have to jump trough hoopes to play any game, and it's this kind of disreguard for the minorities that makes me feel like a secound class citizen

IDK but what happened to using IJKL or (for non US keyboards PL??) for left handed people.

I don't understand the numpad thing. there aren't even enough keys for the Q E R F C equivalents (not to mention shift for sprinting and ctrl for sneaking, which are all mirrored on the right side of the keyboard)

I know some lefties playing their games this way (or they simply stick with wasd)

BTW you guys have the lucky advantage that (provided you are using your mouse on the left side and do not change the key binding) your pointing finger actually controls the arm on the same side as the mouse button

Every time you learn to use something new you have to adapt, that's what learning essentially is. I'm both left and right handed and I don't see a difference at all in learning something new with either hand.

For example, put a pencil in the hand you do not write with, and try to write something. Does it not look like how you wrote when you were first learning to write as a child?

/thread ?

Obviously not, people keep posting

i can write with bouth hands cuse i was forced to, it's not natural tho, my natural tendecy is to use my left hand

Left handed here (for PC at least), and I use the arrow keys but I always use the numpad for shortcuts reasons... I was also disappointed that one couldn't rebind this OOTB. But some mods/fixes are out there, look a bit and you should find your happiness.
If not, there are plenty of great games out there, too, that are more left handed user-friendly

I'm right handed and I use Zboard Fang Gamepad ZGP-1000, it just makes gameplaying that much better it allows for simpler and better moverment, it allows you to hotkey and can be used left or right handed.

I never said I wasn't. I have a life outside of gaming you know. I do, however, greatly appreciate all the feedback though. I'd try to change the way I play games in terms of using keyboards. However, I play more then one PC game, all of which I use numpad. I have tried to use WASD and other keys close to those 4 keys and I just can't get used to it. I hate having so many other keys crowded around the functional keys for the game. That's why I prefer numpad as a lefty, because it's not crowded, and I have a very good memory of where the keys are on that side of the keyboard when gaming.

There is nothing natural about writing. It is a human invention, and it is something we learn to do.

I have a natural tendancy to do stuff with my left hand as well, but most things I know how to do well I do with my right hand simply because the things I was using were right handed, like guitar for example.

Mhm, aah the wonders of google search and tesnexus <3

I still hate the idea that it's modders that have to resolve those issues... Soon they will make us buy a buggy engine and tell us to fix it and make the game ourselves... I still think it's not right that beth is turning a blind eye to a us because most use wasd... It's not like it's about coding new features, right?
To me it's not about "We could do it", it's about comfort... I hate using controllers for these kind of game... And numpad is just the best (for me) with the keys disposition...

In fact I don't care if I could, or if the sister of someone could (Don't take offence it's not an insult or something)...
Blocking keys for no reason is the new sport here these last few years (the first I remember was dead space)

To have an idea of what we feel you should imagine a game where all keys are hardcoded to an unfamiliar patern. Even if you take pleasure in playing the game, even if it's very good, you will eventually come to hate the controls and get less interest in the game...

yeah thats different being ambidexterous(sp?) is a blessing to a certain point, i can do most things with both hands, my misses is left handed, we generaly post on this forum under this one loggin or together, im not sure i see howyour points add up they seem to conflict i maybe missing something.
my appologies just thought youd got snippy and bailed plus i saw you post the comment in a different topic after the solutions had been posted, honesty even tho i dont know you im i nice guy id be glad if every one got what they wanted, from our trival western frivalerys to starving african children, lets just try show beth this is imporrant but in the mean time fix it for anyone affected.
I personnely ive always hated using the keys for fp reguardless(i hate crab handing it) of where they are, id like to use two mice or half a controller and mouse or somthing but still have use of the keyboard for hotkeying.
Im not going to argue that more functionality is not better, specialy when its easy, but i wasnt talking about forcing ppl to do anything, not every keyboard has a num pad so just putting in support for that is no good, i see how using the arrows keys gives slightly less speed for secondary actions but thats surly no big deal with this game its hardly difficult fastpaced or requiring of such reflexes, im in the process of getting a new pc, ill be getting a good mouse and keyboard because its worth it!
Its not an issue of forcing its an issue of taste and sensability, companys are inconsistant id rather be prepared, i have special dietry requirements so i go shopping for more food just before i run out not after because the shop may not have what i require, be prepared and you wont be disapointed. seriously is not like you need to dole out your savings its only a keyboard, its like what 10-5% the value of the pc yet very important to your exsperience.
You buy lefthanded scissors and can oppeners i take it?! well id start considering buying everything with added functionity for your prefered style/situation. Im not being cold hearted its just you probably need to come to realise company are out for them selves and will generaly only supportthe consummer as alittle as possible.
Again maybe try a change of situation unless it really is the only place for your pc why not just have the mouse and key board spread out more, your only talking and couple of feet, the width of your chest abd the length of the keyboard, yours arms have quiet enoughreach for that not to be uncomfortable like haveing the 6" apart as standard.
I dont know bud but if you left handed ppl cant fix this for your selves its possible no one will then it only you that miss out, you can still complain that companys dont support your interest thats important imo, but if you dont get to use the product you paid for well its only you thats loosing out.
To be honest im not sure why im still defending my self trying to be helpful there are lots of solutions, try moving, buying or downloading, those are instant, complaining takes time.

Using the x360 contoller is not a viable option for serious players. You CANNOT turn fast enough, even with sensitivity raised above max via the .ini file, and you can never learn to aim quickly and accurately with a joystick. This is why decent online FPS competitive games have mouse players separate from gamepad players.




ME TOO!!! That would be the ideal, an x360 controller with one of the sticks replaced by a high- resolution TRACKBALL> can somebody please make this?

Unfortunately Skyrim and most if not all games will not let you use a mouse and a gamepad at the same time.

I yielded and bought the Logitech G13 gaming keypad, which has a non-anologue stick that works to trigger your WASD or whatevr movement keys you set ( and much more) so you can use a stick and a mouse - but it may be another right-handed product...


But, yeah, it is better to look for a mod that fixes your problem first , because whining to Bethesda may never produce a result.

lol but this is not a competative fps, is a one player fantasy rpg, with hack and slash mechcanics plus ive play games on console since the nes and pc since 95, its just a load of crap, that it makes enough difference to care, full sensativity on a modern console is fine, try it if you think im wrong, it just takes exsperence to match accuracy, i was much better at counterstrike on pc to start with but nowadays, i pwn on cod n bf(even if they svck what else is there) belive me or not i couldnt give a damn, im a aquarist and zoologist and wright/draw books by trade, so i have a life, but play competive video games too in the last couple of years my current best was a long serstained 3rd in the world(which means ive beaten thousands of ppl that career cheat with hacks and modded pads) at domination in cod blk ops, i think im quite exsperinced and skilled enough on both platforms to debunk the myth that the devises functionality effects your skill much in the long run to actuly make a difference in games like tes.

It's not a myth, it's a pretty solid fact. The precision of a mouse can simply not be compared to the clumsiness of a joystick. Sure, you can play FPS games for years with a controller and train yourself to be as good with one as the average PC gamer, but you'll still be outmatched by other PC gamers who have also spent years tweaking their mouse skills. There's even a well-known hard fact to prove this: Microsoft has experimented with a platform where PC and Xbox360 players can play together, but they had to cancel the project because the console players complained en masse that they had no chance against the advantage of playing with a mouse. And yes, this'll also have an effect on singleplayer games like TES.. It's all about the comfort really.

A good anology would be how male and female athletes are separated in the Olympics, the female athletes will be much better at their sport than the average male, but their male equivalents will outdo them due to the physical advantages.

Basically it comes down to the OP having a perfectly valid reason for not wanting to switch to a controller. My stepbrother has a Xbox360 but I've always found myself struggling with the tiny dodgy joystick and it's a huge step away from a mouse. It's great that you were able to make the transition but not all of us want to. Luckily there are both keyboard macros and the keybinding mod on Nexus to help him.

The lesson of this is: people need to learn google. I'm sure Google works just as good for lefties as it does for righties.

i wont argue accuracy with you pointing is easyer that wiggling thats for sure, it was scroll speed that i find fine on pads, plus i did say tes, not fps where accuracy matters, even as a bowman due to slow time perks theres no worry of missing shots, hope id didnt come of as arrogant, that wasnt intended, i just wanted to show some evidence that even tho i was presenting opinions they where well grounded with both sides of arguement not just fanboyisums.
I think most inportant fact, as you stated is comfort, mouses rock for aiming but imo the keys fail for manauvering, its what often makes me use controller on my laptop, i play fps close quarters i beat most ppl by being able to drop and strafe out of view, i find this easyiest with the organic movement of a stick over keys. Its a shame there no way of combining both.
As for average joe, pc vs xbox servers would fail and i followed the ms tests you speak of, not only on a hardware level but lets face now a days i do most of my gaming on xbox but there are alot of run gun younglings that wouldnt know tactics or team work if it slapped them in the face. We are getting off topic i think this thread was answer days ago lol. Every1 enjoy tes as best you can be you left or right handed. x

outraged?

outraged.

dude i'm a lefty, i play with wasd and the mouse in my right hand. have done since '96 when i got my first pc. it's not hard, if anything it's easier due to the layout of the keys.

but to say you're outraged? i think you should put the games down and go outside. racism still exists, people in rich countries are having to sleep rough and starve, polititians lie to the very people they're sworn to serve and the media is a mix of fear-mongering and (non)celebrity scandals that do nothing to further the human race.

stop being a brat is what i'm trying to say

Then you need to check out some of the links others posted that direct you towards mods that will provide the fix you're after. The main reason why Bethesda isn't going to change it themselves, is that they've always done what they could to provide for the [PC player] as much means as possible to change and tailor the experience to what they would prefer.

On another tack, much as I would like to make a remark regarding the level of ignorance on display by others in this thread, much of the tenor of those comments smacks too much of obvious troll-bait that I have no intention of biting. It seems some people need something better to do with their time besides sitting on a games forum waiting for someone to be antagonized by their remarks. The interesting detail regarding some of those comments is the join date attached to some of the ignorant remarks made.