I hope we get to the point where we can connect previous games deeply and according to what you experience and events tookm place in other chapters.....i remember when i played assassin's creed two i stood in front of Altair (the characther from the first game) and it was a very nice feeling remembering all we did together back on the first adventure...if some how we could create this personalized experienced not only within one title where you are able to make your desicions and those desicions will affect the course of the game or you can make choices that will make your own particular game and apply all this to a complete serie ...or trilogy ...OHHH BOY!!! what an experience.....we would be building our own games literally..

The Champion of Cyrodiil in Skyrim may not look like the one you made in Oblivion but that's because of the mantling process.
Once you and something else are no different, you become it. People see nothing but it and not *you* at all.

See the end of Shivering Isles- citizens and anyone will notice you as Sheogorath, even if you don't fit his appearence nor personality.
It's like the Isles accepted you as it's owner, for you had it's owner's staff and thus it reflected this fact to it's natives.

To put it in other words:
The CoC is Sheogorath and Sheogorath is the CoC. They are one and the same, there is no Sheogorath nor CoC now. What you see, is what you believe.

Nevertheless, Sheogorath does not say he was actually, physically, in that temple. He just does not.
The CoC being Sheogorath is a theory, nothing more, however likely.
There is no proof

Well there sort of is
"You know, I was there for that whole sordid affair. Marvelous times! Butterflies, blood, a Fox and severed head... Oh, and the cheese! To die for."

First he outright states he was there, then there are refrences. Butterflies - entering the SI , the fox - Gray fox, severed head - that one dudes mothers head from the DB questline and the cheese....well...do I really have to explain the cheese? xD

I think that is plenty "proof" enough

He is the Daedra of madness.
He is always 'there', in the mind of every human. Especially during maddening times as the Oblivion crisis.
Secondly, do you really think that at that moment that the Aurbis held its breath and the world awaited its destiny, that anyone of power would not be there? No doubt Dibella was there too, for the love in Martin's heart. No doubt Julianos was there too, to guide with wisdom.. etc. etc.

He does not state he was physically, corporeally, there in that temple.

No matter how likely it is, it is a theory it is just not canon fact.

Denying CoC is Sheogorath is like denying Knights of The Nine, Bloodmoon, and Tribunal everhappened, for all of 'em are basically merely "extensions" to the story (in the form of expansions,heck Knights of The Nine did not get the "expansion" title), but there it says in Skyrim "3E433 Knights of The Nine was reborn"

Bethesda probably realized that if they were to outright claim "CoC is Sheogorath", they'd have to explain where the hell is Jyggalag. As you can see, Jyggalag is simply no longer. He ceased to exist the same way Bethesda treated crossbows and spears. "No need to explain anything if you never said anything" is the route Bethesda took.

Jyggalag was just a filler to give Shivering Isles a purpose, the same way the Nords suddenly forgot how to use Thu'um

Yeah, i'm pretty sure the CoC is sheo in Skyrim.

Im not denying anything happened, I question the validity of presenting a detail of events as fact.
While I do agree that it is very likely that the CoC mantled Sheogorath, it is the most plausible theory,
I just dont agree it is 'canon fact.'

I hope that youre wrong about Jyggalag though, I would hope to see him in a future DLC or something.

Well... semantically Shivering Isles is an "expansion", which tend to have the attribute of "canon". It's not a sequel, yes, and nowhere in Skyrim has the fact that "CoC is Sheogorath" has ever been mentioned

But seriously, how are you going to say that in the game anyway? In the Sheogorath-approved way?
It'll be VERY awkward, is how it will be. They can't specify gender, age, race, equipments, or such. They CAN have Sheogorath claim he's the CoC, though, but given that he's the Daedric Prince of Madness, you can't really be sure either

As for Jyggalag, I'm pretty sure he's gone for good. He was badass, yes, as are the other Ultramen, but as you can see there is nary an acknowledgement in-game. It is possible that nobody knows who Jyggalag is based on the fact that everything happened not in Tamriel, but in Shivering Isles, but that only makes Bethesda's job at getting rid of him easier

Well, perhaps someday Bethesda will pull itself together and call Jyggalag again, but he certainly won't be in Skyrim. After all, you can only dish out so many DLCs before making The Elder Scrolls VI: Aldmeri Diminion

Sheogorath's dialogue in Skyrim suggests this because he mentions several quests in passing the Champion did in Cyrodiil.

I assume though that the daedric prince is immortal and his essence is absorbed by whoever rules the Shivering Isles. So the Champion gradually morphs into him completely, as does anyone else who takes on the mantle of the Mad God. In other word the Champion goes mad and loses his original identity.

The Nords forgetting how to use the Thu'um makes sense.

Jyggalag is the sole reason why Sheo would have the CoC take his place. If Jyggalag was written out of existence...it's only logical to assume the other events of SI did not happen because Sheo wouldn't have needed (or wanted) to give up his position.

(And that is where I stand until Jyggalag makes an appearance somehow. I'm writing it off as the CoC being tormented by the Daedric Princes for stopping Dagon.)

No, it is not. Up until 3E433, a book called "Children of the Sky" claims that the Nords could use Thu'um, and the farther to the north their residence is, the more elemental they are (and the more crude their residence is)

200 years later, when they actually NEED as much firepower as they can, they are amazed at the fact that something called Thu'um actually existed. Granted, every 30 years there is a new generation, meaning the last possible use of Thu'um is at least 6 generations ago, but it doesn't justify how Thu'um is suddenly only for the Elites

After all, while Greybeards officially teach Thu'um, they are not the only people that can. Normal people who can use Thu'um can teach others too, since there was no official "School of Thu'umic Ways" before Jurgen Windcaller. Perhaps not as good as how the Greybeards teach 'em, but certainly acceptable

I'm talking about how Bethesda simply doesn't recognize Jyggalag existed after Shivering Isles. I'm not talking about how Jyggalag never existed in the first place. He did, but no longer

The book could be wrong.

And that's what I meant. If Bethesda doesn't recognize Jyggalag as existing after SI, I don't think it makes sense to assume that SI happened at all. Or it could very well be another example of Bethesda overlooking their own creation, as always.

The same fate befell crossbows, my Aldmeri sister

Is the basic Nord power "Battle Cry" a very basic thu'um shout? I always assumed it was something like that.

Nobody knows, honestly. Imperials had "Voice of The Emperor", which either means every Imperial was voiced by Patrick Stewart or they all know basic Illusion spell by default

It certainly doesn't have the attributes of a Thu'um though

i Think this about sums it up. Also you can meet sharagoth in skyrim, and he point blanks says that he was right their beisde martin durring the whole oblivion thing... so im going to go with a YES he is the CoC. Also i freaked out when i meet him because i was like I'M MEETING ME FROM OBLIVION. Yea,

Just because they don't mention jyggalag doesnt mean he isnt around, how would anyone know of him? he has no followers. no shrine, no cult, hes only 'really' been around for 200 years seeing before then he was only allowed his true form once a millenia or era/whatever time measurement xD

And you cant say SI never happened, its an expansion, its part of the game, its official cannon wether you like it or not. Heck you might as well say the whole oblivion crisis wasnt cannon . Sheogorath even states in Skyrim that he was there with martin for that "whole sordid affair" and makes hidden references to the Thieves guild, the Dark Brother hood and even the Butterflies when he/the CoC entering SI for the first time.

Also why would you think the other daedra would torment someone for stopping Dagon? If anything they would applaud the CoC and give him a reward. I doubt they would be happy about one of the darker/eviler daedra taking over more land, gaining more power and destroy all their followers and cults :/

It'd be odd a full expansion to not become part of the core storyline.
There wasn't exactly a way of finishing the storyline of the expansion without the champion becoming Mister Madness.

Do to that and the references I believe it to be true.

100% sure? No, but then again scientists aren't totally sure how gravity works still on a quantum scale. But for all intensive purposes the Theory of Gravity is considered true. So this is the Theory of Sheogorath.