I've read on other sites that Sheogorath is really The Champ of Cyrodill from Oblivion. I completed Shivering Isles, but I thought it was more or less a temp thing and the real Sheogorath would take back their title at a later date. I like the idea that your character become a Daedric Prince, but I want to know if it's really true. It would make sense seeing how Shivering Isles end and the because of the references made by him during his quest in Skyrim. Has Bethesda confirmed this or can we only view it as a possibility due to small hints.

It's most likely true that Sheogorath was the CoC. IRC in TES lore there is something called "mantling" where a mortal could become a god by being like them, but don't take my word for it I barely know TES lore.

I copied it into word so I could spell check it. It must have lowered the text size when I copied it back on to the site, I'll fix that right now.

I'm confused as hell. Soooo because the old Sheo, who wasn't actually Sheo, because he's really Jyggalag, so Sheogorath never really existed until WE (the Champion of Cyrodill) filled Jygalags, shoes... So only RECENTLY Sheogorath has existed? Sooooo he never really existed before we became Sheo? lol ughhh, w/e

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1276518-sheogorath-in-skyrim/ and http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1340028-any-living-characters-from-oblivion-beside-maiq-in-skyrim/, for example.

I'm willing to believe CoC = Sheo. The hints are that many and on-the-mark.

It works like this jygalag was becoming to powerful so the other daedric lords cursed him to become a daedric lord of the one thing he hated madness. so a new daedric lord was born and it was sheogorath so a new daedric lord was created and when the Champion turned into sheogorath jygalag was released from his curse and that version of shegorath no longer exist so now a new version of the daedric prince of maddness is here the champion of cyrodill so now he/she is now taken the place of the old prince and taken on everything from his madness to his cheese and jygalag can go do what ever he wants.

Jyg was Sheo - Think of Sheogorath as a prison for Jyggylag.

The CoC essentially took Jyggylags place in that prison.

I think it's awesome that Bethesda did this. It makes us (who completed both the main quest and Shivering Isles) look back and feel connected to the events and changes in Elder Scrolls history. Very cool move Bethesda.

I agree, however, I don't really feel that something like this is canon until the publisher of the game comes out and confirms it. Well, sense there is so much evidence supporting it I guess Sheogorath in Skyrim has to be the CoC.

Yeah. They hint it so much. However, it really cannot be said if he definitely is. And knowing Bethesda, they will never tell us.

Sheo's voice actor Wes Johnson has hinted it himself in a website interview (I've lost the link however). Then "taking the eyes", "being there when Martin turned into the dragon", DB, Thieves Guild, etc. comments... Yup, I can't really think him being anyone else but CoC.

If someone would bother, it would be great to see all the hints together that support this Sheo = CoC hypothesis, from both Obl/SI and Skyrim.

Perfect metaphor.

At the end of SI, Jyggys speech directly states that he's free, i.e. no longer tied to Sheo. In the new game, Sheo mentions being around for the Oblivion Crisis, and makes a couple of references to being the PC (Grey Fox and at least one other, can't look it up right now). The point is: there is no reason for this to be brought up in the context of Skyrim and the interaction with the player. This is a wink-wink-nudge-nudge acknowledgement of your previous character by the developers. The entire point of the reference is to acknowledge the events of SI and say "hi, I'm your old character."

Now I more I'm confused.

All of this was foreshadowed and explained in Shivering Isles itself - it's not served up to you on a plate but all the evidence is there quite intentionally. Arden-Sul was the Sheogorath before the champion of cyrodiil, and the CoC underwent the same rites and rituals and he too became Sheogorath (A process known as mantling in the TES meta-physics and has been seen time and again - such as in Talos case). I remember discussing all this long before Skyrim came out in the lore forum, the main question back then wasn't "if" but "would skyrim's sheogorath reflect this?"

Then in Skyrim, they confirm it with Sheogorath speaking about how he was there when Martin turned into Akatosh amongst other things (he also mentions the Grey Fox and some other stuff).



This is about as much "official word" as you're going to get from the Publisher. They confirmed that is what happened in not one but TWO games, they shouldn't have to spell it out any clearer for you xD

Exactly. I've had in mind to post this many times, but I've always forgotten - glad you say it now! It just miraculously so happens that Sheogorath will tell many seemingly random things from his immortal (long and rich) life, but basically all of them HAPPEN to be nudges towards Oblivion. Oh, what a coincidence!

Still, Bethesda could come out and say, nah, CoC isn't Sheo, because it isn't officially stated that he is.

There are certain hints that point towards the CoC being the same person that mantled Sheogorath, but there is no hard proof.
It is a possibility but not canon truth.

I'd like to think CoC = Sheogorath in Skyrim.

But I'm pretending that Shivering Isles never happened, only because Jyggalag was (for all appearances) erased from the Daedric pantheon as quckly as he was added.

My thoughts exactly. Besides my CoC was prettier

Only 200 years passed, and that is like a blink of an eye to a daedric lord. Jyggalag prob just has not bothered to make himself known yet. Hopefully Jyggalag makes an appearence in some dlc, or at least mentioned.

so far there is an overwhelming amount of "hints" that Sheo IS the CoC seeing how only the CoC was there to witness septim actually turning into a dragon...the other soldiers/etc were all fighting deadra from the portals.
until someone brings up SOMETHING that he says or hints at soemthing THE CoC didnt do...meaning not UR CoC but THE CoC.....then the naysayers have a valid arguement......actually u know what....[censored] it.

THE CoC of Beth's and MINE are freaking Sheo....im freaking proud as hell that my toon was so awesome he became a daedra and even though he looks a helluve lot better than the creation i did on him...and became the god of madness and STILL remembers who he was and came from....[censored] ya i salute u Sheogorath aka MrGrimm aka sprinkles aka thannetos

Well he certaining isn't my character, my character was an Argonian...he's missing the scales and tail.

I, too am proud that my Champion of Cyrodiil had turned into Sheogorath. I find it fitting, considering all the crap he's been through from childhood onward.

I think there's plenty of evidence also that Sheogorath is just a mask the COC wears.

After all, Dagon wouldn't NOT destroy things.

Sheogorath wouldn't CURE madness.

So this Sheogorath is just an image the COC wears. Presumably, when they're alone, they kick back as who they were.

Every few thousand years he takes it back from himself*. Skyrim is only 200 years from Oblivion.

*Or well, he did. He (Jyggalag) doesn't need to anymore since he is released from his prison that was Sheogorath. I'm not sure if the Greymarch would happen anymore, then again, there's still a few thousand years to go!


That's the thing though, Sheogorath is a Daedric Prince. They can shape themselves into anything they will. Gender is meaningless too.
As well as this, Bethesda purposely keep the gender, race, etc. of previous characters hidden because that is purely dertermined by the actual player, the rest (i.e. canon) are the only things they keep in lore (such as the Nevarine killing Almalexia.)

I'm sure the Sheogorath in Skyrim is the CoC/HoK. There's a lot of evidence to support this.

Buuut there is that tiny little 1% possibility that he's not, so the naysayers can imagine whatever they want. Someone needs to ask Bethesda: lock them in a room until they say 'yes' or 'no'. xDD

This is so cool so i just talked to the crazy version of myself ..back in OBL and SI .....this is so great that we can go back in time and tide knots with what we are playing right now...and yes i would love to think that little guy just gave me the wabbajack its the samehero i drove through many adventures at the end of the third era in oblivion and shiverin isled.....