I think the guilds in Oblivion were much better.

i agree

Hmmmm. I liked Oblivion a lot.

I like Skyrim and Morrowind better, I have never really thought to much about the parts of the sum for why this is so - Morrowind and Skyrim just come together in such a way that really gels with me, I know what I like and they hit more buttons then they miss and do it in such a way that puts them ahead of Oblivion.

The expansions though? Oh. My. Deadra. Skyrim hasn't got any yet but Shivering Isles was brilliant and I hope Skyrim gives me something on that level with its expansions.



I actually would say you are the protagonist. Hero might be debatable, but a story can have more than one "hero" and the reason they are heroes can be different. Martin was a bit more of a (perfectly justified and this is in no way a bad thing) plot device anyway, you did most of the heavy lifting. But yes, overall I have enjoyed Skyrim's story slightly more, I think, though for different reasons to you, I think.

It is a fine, if somewhat undernourished, beast. If it had been fattened up a bit it would have been greater still, but none the less I have loved it.



Agreed.


Agreed.


This has been a bit decisive it seems to me. A lot of comments say it is bad and then the reason given seems to be quantity.

I quite liked most of Skyrim's quest - the quality is good, but the quantity is lacking. Options, choices and length is sorely desired. Like story above the beast is great but undernourished. To think about the potential... its good, but oh, if only there was more of it. (I won't go into some of my wishes as I've posted and reposted them enough).


Hmmm, I would have to think about this.


Ok, I love the beasties and what have you in Skyrim.

Though I do wish there was more giant content (hoping so hard) - giant quests, the opportunity to befriend the giants, help them, protect them (or I guess for those villainous players more opportunity exploit them, hunt them etc). Stand up for giant rights, forge a giant nation!



As above. I enjoyed Oblivion immensely, but Skyrim is the better game to me (in playing and in what I want to play).

cant say ive heard it alot through my playthroughs



true, but the best enchants dont really matter on a system where enimies are lvled to you. no dragons dont drop anything, its the soul i want, i love gaining new shouts



ive had a different experience, everytime a dragon attacked a walled city the NPCs ran about and yelled while guards fought, then the people would griev over the dead if one fell. well people never went outside the city walls to see the gates , since i dont fast travel (only use the in game carriage) i find dragons a treat while traveling. some dragons are easy but now that im neaing lvl 50, im finding more and more dragons that nearly one-shot me while i quest.



to each his own, theres, black dragon, frost dragon, blood dragon, elder dragon, ancient dragon and

People usually comment like it's not safe to the leave the city, or things like that. Some say aren't you the hero of kvatch can you do something about the gate, etc. I can't remember the exact lines.


I'm generally unimpressed by the shouts due to their insane re-use times, what gets me is why Draugr seem to be able to use them a lot more often then the player can. Some like Unrelenting force are about right, but others like fire/frost breath don't justify their re-use at all. The "best" shout has a 600 second reuse... that's 10 minutes. You can't use ANY shouts during that time.


I get that, what I'm saying is the NPCs that run in fear all run to the dragon after the soul steal animation too, they aren't still afraid but ask "is it dead?". If they don't know why are they getting so close, you'd think they would still be afraid =P. Also why do guards ask you not to shout when you were using your shout on a DRAGON! Yeah, the AI is pretty dumb =/.


As I've said, Black/Frost/Blood/Elder and Ancient are all the same, just different colors and more HP/Shout damage, that's it. Oh and some breath fire while others breath ice.

most of the people agree the quests in skyrim is shorter, less epic, and streamlined. even if other elements are better than oblivion quests being inferior poses a serious defect as a rpg game.
lame quests also means lame faction/guilds, since choosing faction/guild is al about quests. ive finished thieves guild quest line, and i have to say it was too reliant upon a simple plot mechanism and dungeons. quest line itself is too short and simple, theres no ranks, actions im involved in basically has lityle to do with thievery(except goldenglow quest). in the end i never got that feeling that i was actually the master of the guild.

in general skyrim quests, compared to previous series, feel like hollywood blockbusters(preferably sequels) with very little plot and larger portion of visual aid to make people feel they are at the presence of something epic.

So the bland, seen-it-before cities in Skyrim are better than the ones from Oblivion? Oblivion's story wasn't great, but I say Skyrim's is far worse. The fact that they push you into it and hold your hand the whole way through doesn't help. It was short, simple, easy, lacking any interesting characters, and at the end of the day, no one cares that you yelled at a dragon while killing it by hitting it in the face a few times. The only hard part was getting Esbern to talk. Hell, they couldn't even come up with original dragon designs. They just look cheesy.

Skyrim is just something waiting to be modded. For me, the only thing it has on any other TES game is graphics and combat. As-is, it's lost most of it's flavor after a few weeks.

Dovahkiin, "Some guys made me yell at dragons. What do you guys do?"

Oblivion Protagonist, "I might turn you into cheese."

Nerevarine, "I don't even know where to begin..."

Oblivion in 2006 standards beats Skyrim in 2011 standards.

It can be pretty dumb but that isn't all that bad.

These are evidently the same kind of people who'd say "are you ok?" after you get hit by a truck. And plenty of movies (and some games) have the "is it dead?" bit - which can go:

The thing in question has a giant spike through its head or something, yes, I think it's dead you idiot
The monster gets another kill because despite all appearances to the contrary it is in fact not dead.
The thing appears dead, survivors leave, eye opens roll credits


Riiiiiiiiight.

Though from a forum member perspective I do like this evolution, it adds variety and new experiences. After all the Morrowind vs. Skyrim battles we are finally moving on to Skyrim vs Oblivion battles.

I still can't get my head around clean decapitations with a mace ?

I got bored quickly with Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Fallout NV but since I bought Skyrim on 11.11.11 I have spent every evening and weekend since that date playing it and haven't been bored with it at all!

I like how the Oblivion guards shout at me "Stop right there you criminal scum".


The guards in Skyrim are so quiet that I thought they're murmuring to themselves while they're actually trying to arrest me.

I agree, Skyrim is Definatly the better game.

Have to agree that Skyrim is a vast improvement over Oblivion.
Even the 95 odd, types of random encounters add a much needed extra dimension to the series. I loved them in RDR and when Todd mentioned that they admired RDR, I was hoping for encounters in Skyrim. They delivered on that.

i dont get it, so what if you get only +2 or 3 to stats instead of +5? i like a challenging game, and sides it wasnt that bad, you could beat the game on max difficulty without proper leveling and still beat the game, the AI was pretty predictable and you could always do the run-backwards-shoot-fireballs-or-arrows.

Skyrim, even with its faults, is defintely at least 50% better than Oblivion. I know because I need only half the mods to fix it compared to Oblivion.

oh yeah, those stupid console players with their low IQs and clear skin. its not like anyone plays on console because they can't afford a computer that can run skyrim. theyre so stupid they don't know you can take every perk in the game and do everything with one character. ive seen them actually make multiple characters that do completely different things. tards.

I'd rather not being the absolute hero for everything than being the holy guy.


You are the "chosen"in everything in Skyrim....that's really..not cool.

I liked Oblivion because you were not the one who saved the world directly. What I mean is you were not the chosen and that was pretty cool

oblivion is better cause of spellmaking? oy vey, not even close, the spells are fine in skyrim, i like em, and there's plenty of em, there is SO MUCH stuff to do already in skyrim that as it is. the spells i made in oblivion weren't better than the default spells anyway, but there is just way better stuff in skyrim, everything is better, i like the forts. enemies above and below, i like the variety of dungeons, caves, ruins etc...and i like all the followers, i like the cities and villages...the radiant quests, there's a lot of improvements over oblivion.

I felt, small then, and betrayed

yah gonna mod exploding heads for that, makes more sense

If they cannot improve on 2006 game then there is something wrong. Oblivion with Skyrim's graphical improvements would have been awesome. I don't see how people can say Skyrim's quests are good, since they're mostly copy paste, copy paste like a lot of the game is. The locations are nice but not as good as the unique design of the imperial city in Oblivion.

I just think Bethesda lost the plot with Skyrim and just went for a big game world with lots of the same stuff. The ruins are nice but they have the same enemies in them.

I enjoyed the background mountains, the forests around Riften and the individual feel of the dungeons.

Too many things, though, were a step backwards. The two main ones were magic and character creation.

I see no reason to start a new character build that will end up the same as the last one. Oblivion allowed me to play unique characters.

Variety in creatures? You must be kidding.... every 10 feet I met either wolves, bandits or draugr. Very boring.

I disagree. While Skyrim is fun, its not better then Oblivion. The main quest in Oblivion alone still has my best main story ever in a game. And The Shivering Isles is by far the best DLC content to date on any game for me.

A tad unfair quoting the SI when Skyrim hasn`t had a chance to do an addon yet. But still I don`t think Oblivion was better. Oblivion was made for children. It was more svcky-sweet than marsh-mallow dipped in honey. Not true to lore at all.