as far as why...its the consoles fault. Im not gonna say its because of thier outdated 5 year old technology....im saying its the actual console users. PC games USED to come out FIRST on PCs THEN came out on consoles, normally about 6 months later down the road and they would have to cut content lay back the graphics BUT im guessing that massive amount of [censored]ing and complaining of WHY they had to wait 6 months later...MUCH MUCH later for PS users and not just talking about Bethesda games. Im guessing they got tired of the consoles users whinning and [censored]ing that the companys just said [censored] it to quality just push it out there so we can get our money and they can shut up.

Yes Oblivion had more people on the street....but did u EVER see them all go into battle at one? I remember the last oblivion gate battle lagging the [censored] outta PCs computers at the time and the 360 was much worse.

Sorry, but I don't believe that it's the modder's job to fix Bethesda's game for them.

Fix, Bethesda fix REAL problems, yes, slowly, VERY slowly at times, however, they fix through patches, modders don't fix [censored], they add or take away what THEY don't like, been playing Skyrim on 360 since day 1 and haven't found a single thing to [censored] about except two quests...

Oh, modders fix a lot. Everything from community bug patches to correcting bad design decisions.

Well you stay over on your mouse and keyboard and change, or add, or takeaway, or maybe.... even go create your own game!?.. As I said and believe me when I say I speak for a lot of 360 users, our game is fine, patch 1.4 will correct a few flaws and bugs here and there, and in general polish off what is an outstanding game.

And I think you are failing to see more than half the PC community, me included, slowly started switching from PC to console, the die hard PC users stayed back to whine and [censored] about console users. Funny thing is, I honestly see VERY little difference between most console games, side by side with PC, and I am not just saying that.

Your loss. Skyrim's cities are small and empty and it's roads are dead. Beyond the randomly spawning patrol or such, there is no road traffic. Modders will fix these problems. They did it in Oblivion and they'll do it again. They shouldn't have to, though. Bethesda should have done it from the start.

I also moved over from the PC to console purely for costs and that consoles had finally caught up. I'm still a huge PC fan, but consoles are far easier when you had children and things to do. I agree with your statement.

Hate to break it to you, but there are no huge battles in Skyrim. The civil war questline? Those are not huge. Maybe bigger than Oblivion's but that doesn't make them huge. If you want to see a huge battle, go play Mount and Blade with it's 250 soldiers battling it out.

Because consoles dont have the ability to run that.

… Why is the population so small. One the most appealing aspects of medieval fantasy is war. Who cares if the stormcloaks take on the legion, it would be a very small fight, like 50 vs 50 or something. How can you call Whiterun a city it is more like a tiny village. Where are the tailors the bakers the masons and all the other people it takes to run a civilized society. For me immersion relies heavily on a believable environment.

They lack the skills or drive.

Hi there everyone, first of all to the makers of the game congatulaions on the best rpg of all time. Im very new to posting on forums so forgive me for being a noob or whatever. There is a topic I wish to discuss. Also please forgive me if there is already a discusion about this.

Why is the population so small. One the most appealing aspects of medieval fantasy is war. Who cares if the stormcloaks take on the legion, it would be a very small fight, like 50 vs 50 or something. How can you call Whiterun a city its more like a tiny village. Where are the tailors the bakers the masons and all the other people it takes to run a civilized society. For me immersion relies heavilly on a believable environment. I know dragons and magic is hardly believable but I think that aspect has to be balanced out with a somewhat realistic environment.

I have been playing rpgs since megadrive days, and I also read epic fantasy novels. I think bethedsa is miles ahead of any competion with rpg gaming at the moment. They seem to evolving the genre, adding all the things I have ever dreamed of in a rpg. This is the ony pitfall for me. I would love to hear what other gamers think and bethedsa themselves (if thats possible?). And please dont waste my time on petty argumentive crap, I only wish to have an objective discussion on what I believe is an important aspect of rpg gaming.

Because consoles dont have the ability to run that.

I swear the small town of Flotsam in The Wicther 2 had more people in it than any so called "city" in Skyrim ask yourself.

I take it most of you are young or just have short attention spans. As I have been playing RPGs for over 20 years now, and my idea of an RPG is much different. RPGs used to be about patience, exploration, story and characters, and talking to people before anything else. Almost all RPGs usually had houses and NPCs that you either couldn't enter, or couldn't get much out of as far as a decent information or quests were concerned. I personally think this is the best way to make a city seem bigger. I have no problem trying to weed through many generic NPCs and locked doors or empty houses, to find someone in the crowd who will help me out in some way like asking for help or leading me in the right direction for more adventure. For example, take the town drunks, and the kids/chickens/dogs/butterflies in the game. There are almost zero quests related to any of them. But does that mean you don't want them in the game? A lot of the best RPGs had areas of towns you just couldn't walk to because of invisible areas, which I didn't mind at all and gave the illusion there was much more to the town, it just wasn't important so you didn't go everywhere and talk to everyone. If you have a good imagination a lot of SNES RPGs are still incredibly deep, with stories and characters and gameplay mechanics that can fulfill all of your needs, as long as you can look past the graphics. But I guess for a lot of modern gamers the needs have changed to something shiny, something ugly, blood/explosion, something cool, and on to something else shiny. To me, adding lots of NPCs that just walk around or say one or two lines of dialog is a great way to fill up and feel like the world is more alive. In real life, you have to talk to many people on the streets before something will happen leading you to something exciting. That's why I would rather they had more NPCs and houses that are just not very deep or unable to get anything out of, just to fill up more space and make me feel like I have to search for something/someone interesting.