As you likely already know, the value of an item you craft will dictate how much you skill up in smithing. What do you think about this change? Does it make smithing more or less enjoyable for you?

More.... it just seems fair. If I found/bought 100 iron daggers before I could (never have, just seems lame) boost my smithing so easy. Now if I find/buy anything the smithing seems balanced compared to the item you smith.

So much better.

"So how did you become a master smith?"
"I crafted 500 iron daggers and now, magically, I can make armour and weaponry using Daedric techniques and turn Dragon bones into armour."
"Oh..."

Smithing was never an issue for me as I did not grind it. I would work to increase the skill as I started to find/buy better armor and weapons so I could improve or make better items. But, in between those points, Smithing was just something I did when I needed to do it, not something to do to increase the skill.

However, I do like it that simple daggers are not as much an increase as more complicated items.

It helps ... some. At least now you'll have to plunder a dwemer ruin or two before grinding.

Edit: Btw, does anyone know how much the value is effecting the experience gain? E.g., has the experience gained from iron daggers been significantly reduced or are higher value items simply providing more experience than previously?

It took less than 200 iron daggers to skill up to 100, even without the warrior stone.

After the 1.5 patch????

Are you running more craftables? That and probably some other mods interact with the latest patch changes. It should take about 1500 iron daggers with the warrior stone.

So THAT is what's going on. Improving 2 swords, a bow, and a set of Wolf Armor took my smithing from 30 to 89 today. I have to start completely over; I'm level 17 with 20 skill in block and heavy armor and 30 in 1-handed.

This.

Still don't know though why some have some seem to have so much difficulty with so-called "exploits" like the iron dagger thing, given that it is a single player game and the only person you end up "cheating" ... if you want to look at things this way ... is yourself.

Of course, if you use "exploits" such as this and then come to this board complaining that the game lets you become "over-powered", I can see where other forum members mights support changes to reduce or eliminate the "exploit" ability simply to prevent inane, annoying forum threads.

That's gonna hurt, even with the fancy armor you can make.

The funny thing is that I was planning on sticking with steel all game anyway. I just uninstalled More Craftables, as I don't really use it anyway.

What? That's insane. That's way more of an exploit than the iron dagger thing. It this is true I will not touch 1.5.

That's the case with mod interactions.

1.5 is fine. As noted above, it's a mod interaction.

Before 1.5, it took about 500 iron daggers to max smithing, now it takes about 1500 so it's better not worse.

I know everyone is super amped about the whole no iron exploit thing but has anyone found a new, equally valid exploit in its stead?

Why did this with smithing, and not enchanting as well, I have no idea. If you level up smithing via improving items you find instead of crafting new items, it takes a while, but it works after you bring in some big hauls.

I'm a bit 'meh' about this. The first character I played was a smith, and I did think the skill raised a bit too quickly. I should point out that I wasn't just spamming iron daggers, though.

Have they done the same thing for enchanting? Does the quality of soul gem affect the skill increase now when you craft an item? If not then they should, just for balance.

It looks like making very expensive high tier armors and weapons are very helpful for leveling up smithing now, since the value of the item you create and the value you add through improving an item contributes greatly to gaining smithing experience.

I will continue buying up all the iron to collect and to make daggers and leather bracers, but I will also stock up on malachite and moonstone whenever I can. I will probably focus first on maxing out enchanting first. I will hopefully spam out as many super legendary glass warhammer as I can afford.

I might also do this. I will buy an expensive glass gear at a local blacksmith if I see them in later game. I will double the value by improving it and sell it back at a loss but only slight loss, and I would have gained a lot of blacksmithing skill.

Or maybe I'll spend money on training with Eoland Graymane. Money is not an issue later in the game, right?

Sorry, rough day. Was reading quickly and didn't see the bit about mods interfering with the patch.

I saw in a thread somebody compared the iron dagger versus iron armor or something like that, and the later would have a much better cost-benefice ratio. Iron dagger is worth 10, iron armour 125. Just look what the cost of the raw materials is and you'll get an idea. I'm too tired for that

Like somebody said also, one or two trips with lots of hoarding of metal from Dwemer ruins might be an option. Dwarven daggers have a value of 55. This alone probably won't be enough to raise it to 100 but combined with iron armour it should still be possible.

Somebody would like to test?

I found some data here: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/57279/how-does-value-affect-the-gain-of-smithing-experience

Looks like to get from level 81 to 82, you need to make 32 iron daggers or 4 glass warhammers, or improve a glass warhammer 3 or 4 times depending on your enchanted smithing gear. You get more experience when you add more value, but the relationship is not linear.

I started a new character with the patch and getting my smithing to 30 seemed to take a lot longer. I had to pay the blacksmith in Riften to get the last couple of skill points, overall it seems better and will take a lot of work to power level if that is what you do.

I found Dwarven Bows very good to level Smithing. 2 Dwarven Ingots and 1 Iron from memory and a pretty high value. All the other Dwarven stuff needed Steel Ingots as well, and seeing as though I was only Smithing with stuff I found myself the Bow was a great option for me. Jewellery was my first option though, turning all the Gold/Silver/Gems I found in the world into a nice profit and a lot of skill ups.

It's yet another example of a vocal few agitating for, and getting a change that removes choice and forces everyone to play "their" way.

This did NOT need fixing - it was completely OPTIONAL when and how fast you skill up smithing. Before you could skill it as and when you felt the need. Now you're forced to skill it at a much slower rate whether you want to or not... way to go vocal minority