Sovngarde and Shor : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:42 pm

Quick question: Wasn't Magnus the architect of Mundus?

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:21 pm

Quick question: Wasn't Magnus the architect of Mundus?

Yep, or the main one at least.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:47 pm

Yep, or the main one at least.

I thought so. Which brings me to another question:

Am I the only one who wanted to launch the Eye of Magnus into the sun and yell "Hey! You forgot this!"?

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:59 pm

I thought so. Which brings me to another question:

Am I the only one who wanted to launch the Eye of Magnus into the sun and yell "Hey! You forgot this!"?

It might have been a good idea

I'm still hoping they expand on the Eye and the Psijics in a DLC or something. It seemed more important than what the College quests made it out to be.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:06 pm

wait shor is lorkan and lorkan is alive? I thought he was killed by the other aedra during the creation of nirn.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:46 pm

wait shor is lorkan and lorkan is alive? I thought he was killed by the other aedra during the creation of nirn.

They're (he's?) dead. Look up at night. See those moons? Those are the halves of his corpse.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:08 am

wait shor is lorkan and lorkan is alive? I thought he was killed by the other aedra during the creation of nirn.

It's all disputed. According to some, he gave his body and heart for Nirn, according to others, he was killed by the aedra and his heart was ripped out of his body, and so on. Shor is how the Nords view Lorkhan, who is alive, not on Nirn, but Aetherius, on his plane, Sovngarde.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:56 am

It's all disputed. According to some, he gave his body and heart for Nirn, according to others, he was killed by the aedra and his heart was ripped out of his body, and so on. Shor is how the Nords view Lorkhan, who is alive, not on Nirn, but Aetherius, on his plane, Sovngarde.

It does all depend on view. The moon theory is just the Imperial Pantheon view.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:56 pm

wait shor is lorkan and lorkan is alive? I thought he was killed by the other aedra during the creation of nirn.

Lorkhan did not die in the way a mortal would die. He became a disembodied spirit...as a result, he roams the world in this form and takes up Avatars like Wulfharth anytime he feels there is a need to help mankind.

At the end of Morrowind however his heart disappeared and has not been seen since.

I suspect that if Lorkhan has got his heart back, it means he can assume his normal form once more

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:12 am

but if he was killed how can he be alive at the same time? I thought only dadrea can rebuild their bodies and that even on different planes you need your body which is the whole reason they go to the waters of oblivion instead of reappearing on their plan? It is all so confusing. I guess one the reasons we don't see him is to keep us guessing who is really right.

Lorkhan did not die in the way a mortal would die. He became a disembodied spirit...as a result, he roams the world in this form and takes up Avatars like Wulfharth anytime he feels there is a need to help mankind.

At the end of Morrowind however his heart disappeared and has not been seen since.

I suspect that if Lorkhan has got his heart back, it means he can assume his normal form once more

I guess that kind of makes sense, but wouldn't he still be unseen. I guess that the whole heart thing could work this problem out but isn't it a physical object that could be destroyed like his body in the first place?

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:07 am

but if he was killed how can he be alive at the same time? I thought only dadrea can rebuild their bodies and that even on different planes you need your body which is the whole reason they go to the waters of oblivion instead of reappearing on their plan? It is all so confusing. I guess one the reasons we don't see him is to keep us guessing who is really right.

Well, Aedra and Daedra essentially came from the same thing, the et'ada. Lorkhan was an et'ada, but I don't think he's either Aedra or Daedra. I don't think Magnus is either.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:45 pm

but if he was killed how can he be alive at the same time? I thought only dadrea can rebuild their bodies and that even on different planes you need your body which is the whole reason they go to the waters of oblivion instead of reappearing on their plan? It is all so confusing. I guess one the reasons we don't see him is to keep us guessing who is really right.

The accurate term for what happened to Lorkhan is that he was 'separated from his divine spark'

At the time of these events in the Adamantine tower the Aedra who were present on Nirn could not destroy Lorkhan's heart because it was tied to the mortal world. So they cast out, and it landed in Red Mountain. That was where the tonal architect Karegnac found it...

"But when Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan it laughed at them. It said, "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." So Auriel fastened the thing to an arrow and let it fly long into the sea, where no aspect of the new world may ever find it."

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:25 am

Well, Aedra and Daedra essentially came from the same thing, the et'ada. Lorkhan was an et'ada, but I don't think he's either Aedra or Daedra. I don't think Magnus is either.

Lorkhan was Aedra...he is one of the ancestor spirits...he took part in creation unlike the Daedra who did not

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:05 pm

Lorkhan is considered Aedra, I think, because of his involvement with the creation of the world. He is associated with the Sithis, however, rather than Anuiel.

Of course, we don't know exactly how all this pans out in reality, however, because all we have to go on are the books you find in the various games, which can be and sometimes are wrong, because they sometimes contradict each other.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:59 am

All this Lore is confusing me :stare:

I just know Shor is a nordic god and Nords love him, THERE :stare:

Daedra are evil except for 2 which are considered good and evil somewhat. Also the nine divines are good and loved by everyone :banana:

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:11 pm

The accurate term for what happened to Lorkhan is that he was 'separated from his divine spark'

At the time of these events in the Adamantine tower the Aedra who were present on Nirn could not destroy Lorkhan's heart because it was tied to the mortal world. So they cast out, and it landed in Red Mountain. That was where the tonal architect Karegnac found it...

"But when Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan it laughed at them. It said, "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." So Auriel fastened the thing to an arrow and let it fly long into the sea, where no aspect of the new world may ever find it."

see this makes it sound like they killed him or at the least severally wounded him. Would not losing his divine spark leave him in a very powerless state or is it not a truly important part of his being? Also thanks for responding to my questions guys, it helps clear somethings up.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:02 pm

Lorkhan was Aedra...he is one of the ancestor spirits...he took part in creation unlike the Daedra who did not

All right, thanks. I didn't know if he was considered Aedra or not. But yeah, so technically as long as his heart is still on Nirn, so is he. Although I believe he is the only one who should use hiss power. The Tribunal and Dagoth Ur proved that mortals with that pweris a BAD idea. And if he does return, the Imperial Pantheon would change drastically.

But wait.... Didn't Mankar Cameron say that Lorkhan was a nother Daedric prince, and that Mundus was his plane in Oblivion?

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:48 pm

see this makes it sound like they killed him or at the least severally wounded him. Would not losing his divine spark leave him in a very powerless state or is it not a truly important part of his being? Also thanks for responding to my questions guys, it helps clear somethings up.

That would make sense, but his heart still holds his power, whereever it is.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:27 pm

That would make sense, but his heart still holds his power, whereever it is.

but would he not be seperated from that power. Kind of a similar problem to a body trying to function with it's head in another room.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:54 pm

but would he not be seperated from that power. Kind of a similar problem to a body trying to function with it's head in another room.

Exactly, he doesn't have access to said ower, but if his heart was returned to his body, he would. But no one knows where his heart is.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:18 pm

Exactly, he doesn't have access to said ower, but if his heart was returned to his body, he would. But no one knows where his heart is.

So then he is a god who can use his power. If so then I guess who could not manifest himself. Maybe why we did not see him.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:14 am

So then he is a god who can use his power. If so then I guess who could not manifest himself. Maybe why we did not see him.

Yup. That's how I see it. But the nord believe something else, so there's no way to truly no what's right unless Bethesda tells us.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:28 pm

Don't the heroes in the hall say his brightness would be blinding to a mortal and that is why his chair appears empty?

The heroes say something??

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:01 pm

You do meet an Aedroth while in Sovngarde: Tsun. He is the nordic aspect of Zenithar/Z'en.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:37 am

It might have been a good idea

I'm still hoping they expand on the Eye and the Psijics in a DLC or something. It seemed more important than what the College quests made it out to be.

I hope we get the chance to join the psijic order and get new spells.