A suitable "god" for a Vampire.

Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:12 pm

Why exactly Clavicus Vile? As far as I got it, they more or less stumbled upon his shrine and begged him to cure them. I can't see how Clavicus Vile is related to vampires or the undead.

Quoted from UESP:

Clavicus Vile purportedly granted the Cyrodiil Vampyrum Order the ability to blend into mortal society undetected.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manifesto_Cyrodiil_Vampyrum

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Added the original text.

To patron http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Clavicus_Vile, beacon oer our affairs, we owe our successes and social stature. Our bond with Vile makes us unique among our kind, for his guidance steels our savage craving with reason and savvy. For him we live amidst mankind, and twist them to our will from offices of power.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:36 am

The Order worships him because he gave them the ability to blend in with normal people

For those of Cyrod, not the Volikhar.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:25 am

For those of Cyrod, not the Volikhar.

but the volikhar does not exist in skyrim, it is only The Order and some high level Order vampires with the world "volikhar" stamped on their head
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:12 pm

but the volikhar does not exist in skyrim, it is only The Order and some high level Order vampires with the world "volikhar" stamped on their head

Im sorry?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:20 am

Im sorry?
:Scratches head, confused face:

all the vampires are the exact same as The Order, they are not hurt in sunlight, they dont live in any icey lakes, none are very strong, you cant become a vampire other than The Order eve if a "volikhar" bites you and some people have supposedly found a journal that explains that The Order has taken over skyrim and gotten rid of the volikhar
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:40 am

all the vampires are the exact same as The Order, they are not hurt in sunlight, they dont live in any icey lakes, none are very strong, you cant become a vampire other than The Order eve if a "volikhar" bites you and some people have supposedly found a journal that explains that The Order has taken over skyrim and gotten rid of the volikhar

If you could link me to such a journal, Id love to read it, I have not come across it.
Hm.
Well, yes, the Skyrim vampires are similar to the Oblivion vampires in gameplay, on the surface.
There is however that all the high level vampires of Skyrim are Volikhar, and that if you get the disease from them or any other vampire it has a different name to that in Oblivion.
So in the end this is all due to gameplay thingies.

They are intended to be Volikhar, as their name and other evidence suggests.

It wouldnt be the first time, even in Skyrim, that things dont exactly match their lore-counterpart, and its usually due to gameplay thingies.

My normal standpoint on dealing with any lore that conflicts with other lore is to declare them both true, for a given value of godhead, and in this case I would say the evidence suggests that the Skyrim strain of vampirism is intented to be Volikhar, with their abilities a port from Oblivion because the fans requested vampirism a lot and there wasnt much time.

In any case, necromage vampirism is awesome. It affects perks as well. :smile:
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:33 am

I think he should be a Vigilant of Stendarr in denial.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:44 am

Molag Bal created Vampires by [censored] a mortal woman. He did this to basicly tick off one of the Divines, if I am correct.

If you are being Argonian Vampire then also add The Hist and Sithis to your religion since those are the Argonian Religions.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:52 pm

actually only meridia would result in your god thinking you should die and go to where ever undead things go when they die (the soul carin? maybe they still go to the dream sleeve?), mara is the god of love (i think, it might be mercy) and arkay is the god of nature, neither hate undead things (with passion like meridia ar least) and mara loves you (or at least will show mercy) so you could worship them

Mara is the God of Love.
Arkay is the God of Life and Death, if I am correct.

The God of Mercy is Stendarr.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:57 pm

The only real choice is Molag Bal, since he is the one who created vampires in the first place. Just like werewolves generally worship Hircine, the Daedric Prince of the Hunt, who created Lycanthropy.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:45 am

Why exactly Clavicus Vile? As far as I got it, they more or less stumbled upon his shrine and begged him to cure them. I can't see how Clavicus Vile is related to vampires or the undead.
It's because Clavicus Vile partially gave them what they sought after. While Clavicus Vile did not cure them of their vampire nature, he gave them the ability to hide it from the public eye, allowing them to merge into society without much difficulty. So I guess my last post is wrong. Molag Bal isn't the only choice for a vampire to worship. It could be either Molag Bal or Clavicus Vile.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:36 am

Misotheism is also an option.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:29 am

Hail Sithis!
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:11 pm

Depends on the vampire.

If it's truly a bloodthirsty Vampire, then Mehrunes Dagon or Molag Bal would be a good selection. If it's more of a pacifist then Clavicus Vile would be a good selection. Meridia is probably a bad idea for all types of Vampires.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:33 am

Molag Bal created Vampires in order to spite Arkay. So Arkay would definately not accept Vampire worshippers.
"As brighter grows light, darker becomes shadow. So it passed that the Daedra Molag Bal looked on Arkay and thought the Aedra prideful of his dominion o’er the death of man and mer, and it was sooth.
Bal, whose sphere is the wanton oppression and entrapment of mortal souls, sought to thwart Arkay, who knew that not man, nor mer, nor beastfolk of all Nirn could escape eventual death. The Aedra was doubtless of his sphere, and so Molag Bal set upon Nirn to best death."

Sithis wouldn't be a good option either, because of this. Greywyn attempted to convert all of the Dark Brotherhood into a Vampiric Assassin's guild named "The Crimson Scars". It was not to be.
"All along, I was mistaken. All along, I was the blight upon Sithis and his dark name. Tonight, he spoke to me and again, and I learned of his displeasure. Again, I heard no words, but I knew the meaning. I was meant to take blood, to spill blood... but never to taste blood. My sanguine ways have offended my lord! I must cleanse myself of this filth. I must find a way"
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:18 am

Why do Argonians commonly worship Sithis? Is that because of the Shadowscales?
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:28 pm

Mara is the God of Love.
Arkay is the God of Life and Death, if I am correct.

The God of Mercy is Stendarr.
ah, thank you, i'll be sure to rememebr that :happy:


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i said supposedly because i have not foudn it either, so i would not trust that tid-bit untill you find it or a link to it, but i guess you could be right with the gameplay mechanics, still, if you cant do something right dont do it at all i say (maybe it would've been better in an expansion for all the things that go bump in the night)

Why do Argonians commonly worship Sithis? Is that because of the Shadowscales?

iirc we dont actually know if they worship sithis, just that they do (or did) give the shadowscales to an assassin cult that worships sithis, the natural conclusion is to think the arognians worship sithis but we are just making an educated guess.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:43 pm

Why do Argonians commonly worship Sithis? Is that because of the Shadowscales?

The Hist worships Sithis and the Argonians worships The Hist and any Gods that they worship. Basicly.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:13 am

Sithis is popular among Argonians, and he doesn't care if you are a vampire.

Sithis isn't a god - it's a cosmic force.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:22 pm

Sithis isn't a god - it's a cosmic force.

Sithis is a God. He called the "Dread Father of the Void" and he created the Night Mother and the Dark Brotherhood basicly.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:53 pm

Sithis is a God. He called the "Dread Father of the Void" and he created the Night Mother and the Dark Brotherhood basicly.
The DB are commonly considered crackpots by more experienced lore-knowers. Originally just an extremist offshoot of the Morag Tong who worship Mephala.

As for Sithis: It is the cosmic force of nothingness, the nature of the void before creation. That is what the Hist worship, the dark brotherhood and night mother merely anthropomorphosized it.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:47 am

The DB are commonly considered crackpots by more experienced lore-knowers. Originally just an extremist offshoot of the Morag Tong who worship Mephala.

As for Sithis: It is the cosmic force of nothingness, the nature of the void before creation. That is what the Hist worship, the dark brotherhood and night mother merely anthropomorphosized it.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sithis <-- Sithis Lore Article. Read it sometime.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:54 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sithis <-- Sithis Lore Article. Read it sometime.
How does that contradict what I said? The DB was formed in the second era, the Hist have been around since the Dawn. It is clear that the trees that witnessed the cretion of the world would have a far more elemental interpretation of the Void than a bunch of mortal cultists.
And UESP is a unreliable source. http://www.imperial-library.info/

As for Sithis:http://www.imperial-library.info/content/sithis
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-monomyth
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:21 am

How does that contradict what I said? The DB was formed in the second era, the Hist have been around since the Dawn. It is clear that the trees that witnessed the cretion of the world would have a far more elemental interpretation of the Void than a bunch of mortal cultists.
And UESP is a unreliable source. http://www.imperial-library.info/

As for Sithis:http://www.imperial-library.info/content/sithis
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-monomyth
Incorrect. No one knows when the DB was formed at. A letter was found in the 2nd Era that proved they are there, on Tamriel, but it never proved that is when they formed. They may have formed in the 1st Era or even earlier. There are no known dates for that.

~Edit~

I count the UESP as reliable source. It is, mostly, correct on everything I've read so far on it. I also pay attention in-game and dig up a lot of info on my own from the actually games; and I've played TES1-TES5. From what I've seen, Sithis is a God who was around before Nirn was created. Sithis is in control of the Void as of right now, which is prolly a realm that he controls and this is where the Dark Brotherhood send people to when they killed them.

So currently, I believe Sithis is an actually God.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:54 am

Molag Bal! As he created your kind by [censored] a priestess.
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