As a side follower of Hermaeus Mora follower I want to let people know about a certain mixup about the character sybille so here I go!(sry bal going mora mode for a sec)

Ok I see topics/posts on this forum saying that sybille got rectonned this is not actually the case In vanilla skyrim the reason why she did not have vampire eyes is because she had a vanilla bug called hazel vampire eyes.

You see in vanilla skyrim if the PC is human female (Nord, imperial, breton or redguard) and they turned into a vampire instead of getting the vampire eyes that female elves and males get they instead got hazel eyes. I got this bug myself until I got a mod that corrected this. So if you search on skyrim nexus there are many mods that correct this and gives females the correct eyes. Hence the reason why In dawnguard it gives females the new vampire eyes added with the DLC instead of the glowing old vampire eyes. (Plus an after effect is removing the red slit and dirty face which is a plus in my book)

So in fact sybille has always been a volkihar vampire its just because of bethesda's bugs caused people to think she is actually a cyrodil vampire and as all normal volkihar vampires she is using illusion magic she even raises it for you if you do her quest. Lets not forget she raised a high king so they trust her enough to look the other way.(personal opinion).

Actually, where are the Volkihar vampires from? High Rock? Cyrodiil? If it's HR, then it makes sense since Sybille is a Breton.

Or the truth is Bethesda simply applied a change to all vampiric NPCs and you're trying desperately to make up some fan lore to make sense of it.

Why can't people just admit Bethesda dropped the ball with vampires in Skyrim?

Volkihar hail from Skyrim. Specifically, the colder areas in the east, most likely Eastmarch, Winterhold, and the Pale.

Her eyes have nothing to do with it. The reason she is in involved in mortal politics simply ruins the Volkihar and makes them carbon copies of the Cyrodiilic clan. The Blue Palace, a place of Imperial power, should have a member of the Order and not a Volkihar. Illusion magic has nothing to do with it. The fact that she looked human, like Alva, like Movarth gave us the impression she was a member of the Order. Dawnguard changed this when her face was changed and her dialogue was tweaked.

Personally, Volkihar should stick to their courthouse of freaks in their own Draculian-style and not stick their bat-noses into politics not of their own. The last thing we need is a clan of savage blood-svcking fiends who can't so much as blend in without enthralling people rather than taking their daily dose of sanguine and going about their lives. We need a diversity in tribes. The Volkihar, while sharing some traits of the Order, I.E, feeding on sleeping people(also prisoners), having a hatred of thin-bloods and barbaric cave dwelling monsters, and having their own "organized" group and worshiping Bal, should be different when it comes to goals and tactics.

The fact that the vanilla ones were changed is peeving. Stage 4 attacks was there for a good reason. While the physical apperance did not change no matter how much you fed, it was heavily implied that feeding diminished the preternatural condition of the character. Otherwise why would people "recognize" you as a blood-starved vamp in the first place? With Dawnguard, they removed this and added bat-faced vamps and no stage 4 attacks with the additional people who can recognize your vampirism such as the face changer in Riften.

By gameplay reasons, people do not attack you now no matter how long you went without feeding. But this is gameplay mechanics. In "reality", I am quite sure a glowing eyed, fanged individual would be attacked on sight. Yet it doesn't happen in the game anymore unless the player sprouts wings and looks like a half-bat monstrosity. By all means, Volkihar are the gangrel creatures who cannot change their apperarance or blend in unless using illusion spells(I know, I said illusion has nothing to do with it. What I meant is Sybille could not go around casting seduction spells on every member of the Blue Palace . . .it wouldn't make any sense.)

Shirnos is a massive Volkihar fan. The idea that Sybille is a member of the Order is insulting his favorite tribe.

Absolutelly agree! It is not realistic when what "eyed and fanged" individual may walk on streets free. I was play a Cyrodilic-like vampire mage, who hided his nature as Sybille. But with DLC... His eyes, his face... He must be attacked on sight!

I've got to agree with most people on this forum, Beth screwed up a bit. Many people didn't know Sybille was a vamp unless they casted detect life in the Blue Palace or picked up on the hints in some conversations. And that was cool. It was a nice little tidbit that I personally loved. A vampire was able to survive undetected for years in one of the courts of Skyrim. Then DG came and everyone knew what she was bevause of her eyes. Somewhat disheartening.

Personally I play a dunmer and have an eye mod that makes my vamp eyes all red with a slight glow, that with better females and normal vampire face makes it easier to RP people not knowing Im a vampire as far as justifying also being volkihar I simply see it as Vampirism reacts differently in me with me being the dragonborn (also how I justify the extra stuff Better Vampires Mod does) may not be the strongest and most solid justification but it gets me through the game without thinking "oh come on!".

also helps that aside from serana every other vampire I turn looks bat faced so it helps me stay immersed with the whole vampirism works differently for me.

I also hated that there is almost no incentive to stay fully fed in Skyrim, Personally I change this with Better Vampires. When fully fed I'm strongest ( always hated the reverse) I can be out in daylight though much weaker and at higher rankings can very slowly regen, and when not fully fed I take massive sun damage finally I can turn on hated at starving.

How is it fan lore? When it is an actual bug in the vanilla game? If she was an order/cyrodil vampire people would not even suspect she is vampire yet pretty much everyone in jarl court know/suspect she is a creature of the night. I am not talking out of my ass here.

They change sybille in dawnguard but not alva? You explain that to me, because I think the vampires from morthal are the cyrodil strain.

As I said if sybille was order she would not have people guessing and suspecting that she is a vampire. Plus tell what part of my post is fan lore? The volkihar are known for using illusion magic to get by and she raises your illusion magic when you finish her quest and as I said in my first post the reason why people thought she was cyrodil strain is because of a female vampire bug where when you turn into a vampire you just turn a little pale and get hazel eyes so you still look just like a human just like sybille she is not "Hiding" her appearance. It is a bug

The dawnguard in the DLC even say to you when you ask how did a vampire get into the court they tell you straight up that they are using illusion magic,

Lets not forget another bug were female vampires don't even have fangs like the males.(which i forgot to mention in my OP and is still not fixed even in dawnguard)

It would of been nice if she was a cyrodil clan vampire but to me when I look at the evidence and connect the dots of what people are saying this is the conclusion I came to. Don't tell me I am just making up fan lore.

NEVER!! My Sybille Stentor is forever a Cyrodillic Vampire! -Is stubborn-

Personally it would be more interesting if she was but as I said because of the buggy female vampire appearance in vanilla skyrim it caused her to look human and that caused people to think she is a part of the cyrodil strain.

Now alva I believe is a cyrodil vampire and I swear morvath was killed/bitten by a cyrodil vampire? Not too sure I think I gotta read immortal blood again.

Plus werewolf I don't hate order I just hate vile I know I sometimes come across as if I hate them I mean heck I spent majority of my time in oblivion as a vampire. I just wish we could of done some political intrigue maybe in the future if thy ever decide to involve them again and we can become a part of the clan.

Alva is cyrodillic vampire I think. But some people have said that Movarth has been changed to fit the Volkihar. I need to travel to the cave and see if its true.

right there with ya, hell with a game like TES if beth introduces some kind of lore that annoys me I usually figure out a way to RP around it with my character, usually thatnks to mods

Well yes he has the new dawnguard appearance but I believe thats just because bethesda was not bothered to give them the look of a cyrodil vampire.

In that case beth could've just left Movarth's appearance alone. But whatever.

My one fear is that bethesda may make the dawnguard look standard for all vampire clans if they do.... I don't want to think about it.

I think of the vampire clans of Valenwood.. .

I never knew...I thought she was just a pasty faced milf...who needed her nanna-naps.

Transylvania.

Alright, this needs to be cleared up. Having looked extensively through the game files for the past few days, it clear that some facial features of the vamps are being confused for bugs.

1) Some characters suffer glitches that give them either Hazel eyes, a mud splattered face or they are missing pointed teeth. These are the only appearance bugs in both Dawnguard and vanilla Skyrim.

2) There are two types of Vampire in Skyrim.

1) NPC's with Polyphiric Haemophilia. (Cyrodiilic) These vamps appear to be normal people but for pointed teeth and amber glowing eyes. Their pupils remain black.

[IMG]http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/1243/orthjolf.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9246/sybille.jpg[/IMG]

2) NPC's with Sanguinare Vampyris. (Volhikar) The rank and file Volkihar are obviously vampires. Their pupils glow and their faces are bestial. Only Volkihar Vampire Lords or those immediately sired by them retain some passable resemblance to a normal person. All however have glowing yellow pupils.
[IMG]http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/262/volkihar.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5770/serana.jpg[/IMG]

So no, Sybille hasn't been RetConned but she isn't Volkihar either.

So where is your information saying that all volkihar have bat noses? Cause some of the random vampire npcs you meet have normal faces but the glowing eyes and sunken cheeks(BTW they are thinbloods) and sybille new face looks rather undead to say the least compared to her vanilla look. Plus in dawnguard female humans are still bugged they are meant to have the new vampires eyes and the vampire eye fix mod that gets rid of the hazel eyes if installed with dawnguard activated it now gives females the new eyes for dawnguard which IMO they are meant to have.

This is just my opinion.

It's because Alva has the wrong race set in her data. She is set as Nord instead of NordVampire. If they didn't goof up Alva she would have the glowing eyes also.

And still nobody in the village would have freaked out because of her obvious vampirism. Like Sybille.