I couldn't care less anymore, everybody that matters, knows it lore.

Everyone who knows the lore knows that nothing that can't be taken at face value and everything is subjective.

Thats nice.

and that's why every Discussion on Lore here is a waste of time, just like the 10seconds it cost me to write this...it's a [Censored] game, no one can PROOF that Talos is a god (in the game), just as no one can proof that he ISNT...

btw 100% agreeing with Erandur...not that it matters...

Everyones entitled to their own opinion. However, the Dragonborn plot has many holes.

hmm... I don't know if Tiber is the only Dragonborn Septim. Isn't the Amulet of Kings only supposed to be worn by one with the blood of a dragon in him/her? Isn't that the supposed definition of Dragonborn?

Of course, a reverse argument could be made that the Amulet can only be worn by a Septim

Theres a theory that I and a fellow share (Hellmouth, by far one of the most knowledgable members on this fourm about lore) that the Amulet of Kings could be worn by anyone of royalty. Camoran was heir to the thrown of Valenwood and he was able to wear it for instance. Theres also another theory out there that the other Septim's 'mantled' being the dragonborn, but I respectfully disagree with that theory. The chances of every Septim being born with the soul of a Dragon is astronomical.

I don't disagree with the second point. In fact, to build on that, I'd wager that part of the reason many of the Septims were so fail was a lack of dragonsblood. Sifting through the history of the empire and her emperors turns up A LOT of terrible or corrupt or moronic emperors.

Peligus the Mad was removed from being Emperor and his Dunmer wife served as Empress. Here is a very distinct moment where not only does a Dragonborn not sit on the throne, but neither does a blood relative of the Septims.

but did she wear the amulet? And refresh my memory; what happened to her? What happened to the empire at the time?

I can't imagine they would allow Peligus to keep the Amulet while having him committed to an insane asylum. Empress Katariah would go on to rule one of the longest and most prosperous reigns in Tamriels History.

true, and interesting. But there was a Septim alive at the time, excluding Pelagius?

She had a son whom inherited the throne, named Cassynder Septim. It's also noted that the Septim's have long ruled the City of Wayrest as a King and when the need has arrised they've always been able to locate cousins.

then it's possible the Amulet was passed to her son.

there is also another theory:

in the book you linked, Talos has his throat slit by a High Rock assassin. He survives, but from that point on can no longer us the thu'um. It could be, that this silence damaged not only himself, but the entire Septim bloodline as well, denying them the inherent ability to use The Voice. I have my doubts about the any royalty argument, mainly because it was only the septims with the amulet together that blocked the oblivion gates. While I may concede that any royalty could wear it, I would argue that the amulet could only function on a Septim, or a dragonborn.

Cassynder would be half mer then ?

Possible, personally I don't think so. The Amulet was made in Alessia's time, and neither the Septims nor Remen were related to Alessia and each one wore the Amulet of Kings. Alessia, as far as we know is not Dragonborn and neither was Remens son nor the Akiviri Potentes who had the Amulet of Kings after Remen was assassinated (note that the Daedra didn't invade during the Potentes reign, which to me discredits the idea that it must be worn by a Dragonborn. Not to mention the bit about the Dragonfires too which would have us believe that a setpim or dragonborn would have to wear the amulet and light the fires to keep up the barriers. This is disproved countless times). Which to me strengthens that anyone of royal blood could wear the amulet. But hey what do I know right? I don't know the lore.

Not at all, you're quite knowledgable about the lore.

I do think there may be some obscure points missing that may help fill in the gaps on these. Things like how the amulet, created in Alessia's time, could be associated with the Septim dynasty as a magical item keeping Mehrunes Dagon at bay? Or how the amulet and the dragonfires, created at different times, could be supposedly used for such a function?

Theres a theory that they are spiritual successors of Alessia and are metaphiscally upholding the covenant with Akatosh. Vilini is the one I remember who really champions this though I respectfually disagree. The way I've always seen it is that Tiber was trying to force a connection with him and the other Empire's rulers by making him 'chosen' by the God's and give his line a divine right to rule the Empire. The fact that all sources on the matter are written by Imperial scholars of the Septim dynasty only makes me more suspicious that its always been nothing more than propaganda.

In the Amulet of Kings Akatosh convienetly says that as long as the Dragon fires remain lit and her heirs ware the amulet that the covenant stands. BUT, the Dragonfires weren't in existance until Remen.

Edit: Imperial Lore also states that it must be a direct desendent of Tiber Septim, and as I've mentioned, his line died with his grandson Peligus the Fist who died without an heir. Theres not a single direct disendent of Tiber Septim amoung the Septim Emperors and the line has been completely broken several times.

interesting. I wonder if any lore exists that discusses the Daedra during these times as well?

Remind me, was anyone else other than the player ever shown to fail wearing the amulet of kings?

In which case the player could not wear the amulet of kings because he was destined to mantle a daedric lord. And anyone else could put it on?

I don't think anyone else in game ever triedother than Camoran who was able to wear it.

true. However, Camoran also used it as an Anchor for his "Paradise", in a sort of reverse of the supposed Septim + amulet = no daedric invasion

Camoran + amulet = daedric "paradise"

without one of those parts, the equation is incomplete.