So Delphine and Esbern has been in hiding because of the Thalmor yet when you enter the Greybeards castle to start the Season Unending quest you see both Esbern and Delphine there acting very confident along with Elenwen who happens to be emissary of the Thalmor government in Skyrim. Am I the only one who thinks that was complete stupid move on the blades? Now that Elenwen knows that the 2 remanding of the blades are still alive wouldn't this prompt her to send off extra Justiciars, Thalmor Warriors and Thalmor Wizards to search for them now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ViF6JRNjTk

Tullius and Ulfric do not like her either but she had to be there for political reasons.

As far as she is concerned there are only 2 blades, which is hardly a reason to send out people to hunt them down.

She already knew they were both alive and in skyrim so the only thing Elenwen learned is they are working with the dragonborn. Do remember the quest a cornered rat where you killed all those Thalmor agents who were hunting for Esbern. And sense Elenwen didn't bring any agents with her she has no way to track them back to their lair. For all she knows the last remaining blades are being sheltered by the Greybeards, the dragonborn or even the Empire. Lastly Esbern and Delphine may be [censored]s but they are far more concerned with the fate of the world then their own lives. If the word ends the Thalmor finding them is the least of their worries.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you go to get Esbern don't a bunch of Thalmor show up, that you have to fight your way through? If my memory isn't totally whack then they already know he's still alive.

Yes, they've been in hiding all this time. But the dragonborn has come along and they have come out to fight the fight and no longer hide. At least that's my take on it. Even if Delphine is an annoying putz.


EDIT - And so yes, now that I read the above post mine is rather pointless. well, perhaps supporting maybe.

Well with ulfric and galmar on one side, greybeards and their thuum on another, and they got their weapons on them...and lets not forget the dragonborn the ultimate weapon sitting at the head...

Id feel confident also.

Also dont forget, they were only hidimg because they didnt have a purpose anymore. Now they do and they rdy to wreck some [censored]. They aint scared of a single thalmor lady when you got all those guns pointed at her at the table lol.

Targets:

Esbern- Blade
Delphine- Blade
Fultheim- Suspected Blade

Action:

1. Send justicars to follow them back to their hideout

2. Hope Justicars do not return so they don't have to be paid...


3. Send a khajiit to get Fultheim

Believe or not, there are rules in warfare.

The Thalmor have respect, nobility, and honor for the Blades, even though they are suppose to kill them. It was a Council, and it was agreed for peace.

I know you're referring to their attitudes towards The Blades above, but the Thalmor have no respect or honor because the Aldmeri Dominion wants to destory all non-Altmer - that's genocide...not warfare.

i wish i could simply fus ro dah elenwen off the tall mountain after the peace council......
But i cant, because i would get a bounty

*Guf-FAW!*

Tell that to all the blades whose heads were boxed up with a nice bow on top to be a "gift" to the Empire when they said "No way" to their ultimatum.

Tell the "noble" bit to all the victims of their rauaging of the Imperial City.

The Thalmor have no honor to speak of whatsoever.

What if they do have honor, but it is just different from the type of honor we have?

You only get a bounty of 40

Elenwen and the Dominion showed honor when they respected the Council and did not take the opportunity to kill the Blades. It was a ripe opportunity, yet the Dominion did not take it, out of honor.

The Dominion are a bunch of [censored]s, yeah I agree. Torturing people and all that mess... and it's part of the reason I fight for the Stormcloaks. The Empire should have kept fighting or die trying.

Balls ! The Thalmor didn't know that Blades will be at the Council, if they would knew that, Elenwen would bring some Justicars with her. Remember killing Blades it one of their Top priorites.

The Thalmor only have a legal, Empire-backed presence in Skyrim for the purposes of enforcing the terms of the WGC. Officially, Elenwen is at the peace council as part of the Imperial delegation, to make sure that any agreement made doesn't violate the WGC, the upside for her is that it's a great opportunity to observe and assess all the major players in both the CW and the "dragon problem" and gather intel. She's not stupid enough to use that opportunity for anything that she *can't* legally do with the Empire's support, i.e., attack people for reasons of her (and the Thalmor's) own that have nothing to do with their legal and official reasons for being there. She does that, and even Tullius is probably within his rights to take her down.

Plus, they're on the Greybeards' turf, nobody there is stupid enough to start something serious with them around. They'd be flattened in no time.

Elenwen was alone in a room full of people who didn't like her she had no allies no thalmor agents with her when the blades showed up. If she had tried anything the Greybeards would have expelled her, possibly with unrelenting force. How is she supposed to fight two blades with no friends? She did nothing because the alternative was her own death.

Hey they're blades you know, only the 2 of them could cut through the faction in seconds if they wanted, no Thalmor need careful planning if they wish to succeed in eliminating them.

And yet she was there to antagonize Ulfric in attempts to sabotage the peace talks to perpetuate the war, instead of keep her mouth shut. I so dearly wish she wasn't Essential, because I'd be very willing to risk getting on the 'Beards' bad side by sullying their temple with spilled elven blood.

It wasn't "honor" that made her not do anything about the blades, it was "I'm the only Thalmor here and they'd probably kill me if I tried anything". Don't delude yourself.


I wish I could have expelled her. From her mortal coil.

I"m on PC and one of the most enjoyable things I've done is return to the Thalmor Embassy after nothing there is essential for the MQ any more and the CW has been won by the Stormcloaks. I can get myself into and through the entire complex and making Elenwen mortal and killable really sweetens the deal. I just RP it that, after Solitude has been taken, we get word that some Thalmor are still holed up in the Embassy so I'm sent to take care of it.

What makes it even more fun is if you have Ulfric as a follower and you take him along to the Embassy and let *him* kill Elenwen. Nothing like watching him shout her across the room, run over and hack and slash her to death, then sheathe his weapon, and say "That'll teach you to cross me." Indeed!

Revenge is a dish best served with mods and console commands.

I suspect this...especially the part about her not wanting to test the Greybeards.

As I understand it, Elenwen isn't essential after the CW and/or MQ anyway. I will check someday on the one character that has completed both and/or on the 2nd one after I complete the MQ and if I do the CW.

I know I can get into the embassy after DIplomatic Immunity, but Elenwen wasn't there at that time.

I went in soon after finishing the CW, with the MQ I had gotten as far as Alduin's Wall and finding out about Dragonrend but I had yet to go back to the Greybeards and ask them about it. Pretty sure she was still essential as she kept taking a knee and then getting up again. I reloaded and marked her as mortal before going in the second time.

When we went to the Embassy I picked the lock on the front gate, killed everyone outside, picked the lock on the barracks and took care of the ones in there, then used the console to open the front door. Elenwen was still in the main front room where the party was held in Diplomatic Immunity. The waitress from the party and the drunk guy who can cause the distraction for you were still there as well. For some reason I did not go in that room at all on the last PC where I went back to clean out the Embassy after the CW. I had finished the MQ on that character though so maybe anyone who is still in it just disappears from the game once you finish the MQ? I don't know. There were still Thalmor outside the Embassy and in the barracks and one wizard back in the building over the dungeon, though.

From there I had to unlock several doors with the console to get to the back part of the main building, from there out into the courtyard and rear building where the private quarters and dungeon are with no need to resort to console. Nobody was in the Solar, I just went in there to do some extended looting. A lot of their silver and one bottle of Colovian brandy are now in the master bedroom at the Palace in Windhelm.

I'm on PS3 so I had to 'jump' the fence in glitch fashion so there's no way into the 'party room'. There were several Thalmor in the exterior courtyard who were not hostile despite me having picked the lock on the gate (maybe they didn't see me do it). When I got to the interior courtyard the Thalmor there attacked me.

I think I've read in at least one thread that after the CW and MQ Elenwen is not essential and she's in her Solar. Maybe someone can confirm this?

I back tracked to where I had to find Esbern in riften right after I crashed the Thalmor party so yes you're right that they know that both are still very much alive. But my primary questions lays a head. Why did they finally make their presence known? Why expose themselves? Sure Elenwen didn't bring agents but they're still around.

Not sure if the Thalmor has any acknowledgements regarding to the Greybeards but if they do (which I'm sure they do) they know that the Greybeards would never help such people like Esbern and Delphine.

I forgot you weren't on PC, didn't realize there was a glitch to get back into the compound on the other versions.

Yeah, the ones out front were not hostile to me either until I attacked them, neither were the ones in the barracks (however the Justiciars I've encountered just outside the compound still go aggro if you try to share the love of Talos with them, but that's to be expected ). Neither was Elenwen for that matter, altho I could've sworn she went aggro first on the initial playthrough. It's like they are all still in "Diplomatic Immunity" mode, programmed not to be immediately hostile to the player. But anyone left in areas that were hot zones in that quest were still hostile to me on sight when I went back. It's like the whole compound still behaves exactly like it did when you went there for the MQ. Maybe it's supposed to stay like that just "in case" for as long as the MQ is unfinished.