The dragonborn is not supposed to be a superstar

Post » Wed May 30, 2012 10:20 am

I see so many people complaining that after they killed Alduin they didn't get any recognition from the people on the streets. Supposedly these gamers were expecting a big parade with flowers being thrown in their path and townsfolk dancing and singing. The problem is nodoby knows the world was in danger.

You hear citizens and guards talking about dragons apparitions here and there but you quickly realize that those people are not really worried about it. And thinking about it, if I lived in a world full of bandits, werewolves, vampires, giant spiders and several other mythical creatures that would eat you alive if you went ouside the town's gates I wouldn't really worry that much about another beast being added to the list.

The only people who are actually worried about the situation are those who know the prophecy about Alduin's return and recognize this as sign of the end of the world. To the average Joe this is just a matter of watching the sky and avoid being hit by dragon poop.

So when you finaly kill Alduin and return to Skyrim it just makes sense that noone knows about it.

Quoting Tomy Lee Jones in MIB: "There's always a death ray aimed at the Earth or an intergalactic plague ready to decimate the human race. The only reason why people keep going about their normal lives is because they don't know about it."


Also most people don't even know your face! We are accostumed to a world where information travels at the speed of light. If a famous person farts in the other side of the world I'll receive a tweet about it in 5 seconds. In Skyrim things are very different, news travel slowly and only by the word of mouth. So as far as we know the dragonborn in Markath could be seen as a giant man with flaming hair and beard holding a sword of light while in Windhelm he would be a bald old man with a fish stick. People change the story as they tell it to others, it's human nature to exagerate things to prove their point.

tl'dr: You did save the world because you were the only one who could do it, not to become a superstar.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 11:20 am

Um, no. Everyone in the game knows the legends of the Dragonborn. They also know that Alduin is one their major gods and that dragons signal his return. From the very start of the game every inn you walk into you'll hear a bard sing the song about the return of the Dragonborn and how he is to kill Alduin. You're just making excuses for the lack of interactivity in the game.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 3:14 pm

But they don't know at first Alduin is back. Take Balgruf the Greater. When you try to convince him to let you catch a dragon in dragonsreach, he refuses totally. But he gets "OMFG" when you say "Alduin is back. (you dRumbass!)"

People don't realize it. Really. They may know about alduin but they doesn't know about how dangerous is that.

"Dragons were only a legend before, why alduin would be that real now?!"
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 4:35 pm

Um, no. Everyone in the game knows the legends of the Dragonborn. They also know that Alduin is one their major gods and that dragons signal his return. From the very start of the game every inn you walk into you'll hear a bard sing the song about the return of the Dragonborn and how he is to kill Alduin. You're just making excuses for the lack of interactivity in the game.

Dragonborns exists since centuries ago and so do the songs. They are not singing these because fo you. Most people you meet don't even know you are the dragonborn.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 6:24 pm

Dragonborns exists since centuries ago and so do the songs. They are not singing these because fo you. Most people you meet don't even know you are the dragonborn.

You're thinking of the Song of the Dragonborn, the theme song. The song the bards sing is:

Our hero, our hero, claims a warrior’s heart
I tell you, I tell you, the Dragonborn comes
With a Voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art
Believe, believe, the Dragonborn comes
It’s an end to the evil, of all Skyrim’s foes
Beware, beware, the Dragonborn comes
For the darkness has passed, and the legend yet grows
You’ll know, You’ll know the Dragonborn’s come

After you kill the first dragon every bard is singing this song.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 8:52 am

I am positive they know he is back. why? because every guard knows I use alchemy, am a DB memmber, etc......

I also do a crime unwitnessed and get thugs after me.


of course people know.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 12:17 pm

You're thinking of the Song of the Dragonborn, the theme song. The song the bards sing is:

Our hero, our hero, claims a warrior’s heart
I tell you, I tell you, the Dragonborn comes
With a Voice wielding power of the ancient Nord art
Believe, believe, the Dragonborn comes
It’s an end to the evil, of all Skyrim’s foes
Beware, beware, the Dragonborn comes
For the darkness has passed, and the legend yet grows
You’ll know, You’ll know the Dragonborn’s come

After you kill the first dragon every bard is singing this song.


Nope, I'm playing a dunmer right now that didn't touch the main quest, I never even passed through Riverwood after leaving Helgen so basically no one knows he's the dragonborn, not even himself and I still come across bards singing the dragonbron song in taversn.

As I said, nobody knows you're the dragonborn except for a handful of people.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 1:33 pm

the only people that know that you are the dragon born, are the guards in whiterun, the ppl in dragonsreach, the greybeards and the blades, and the occasional dude that saw you shouting, now the only ppl that know that alduin is back are some ppl in dragonsreach, the grey beards and the blades and all the dragons, and from them only the last 3 groups, know that you killed alduin... not getting a welcome home party after killing alduin is understandable and im alright with it, but whats bugging me is that you dont get any privileges at all after becoming a guild master(to any guild) except some companions...
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 2:55 am

Nope, I'm playing a dunmer right now that didn't touch the main quest, I never even passed through Riverwood after leaving Helgen so basically no one knows he's the dragonborn, not even himself and I still come across bards singing the dragonbron song in taversn.

As I said, nobody knows you're the dragonborn except for a handful of people.

Then it's just a glitch that song is playing now. The song is a direct reference to you. The whole point of the game is the Dragonborn IS a superstar. He's the hero of legend returned to stave off the end of world as prophesied in the Elder Scrolls. During the MQ the first thing you do is show everyone around you that you're Dragonborn. Sure some important NPCs ignore this but that's because of broken design not the lack of knowledge they should have in-game. And as the MQ goes on you get more and more famous. You trap a friggin dragon and ride off on him in full view of the city of Whiterun! Just because you're intentionally skipping the MQ doesn't change the actual intent of the game or the fact that world barely acknowledges that you saved it or, if you do the civil war quests, that you're the hero of Skyrim. You're making excuses for a lack of interactivity.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 6:12 pm

Then it's just a glitch that song is playing now. The song is a direct reference to you. The whole point of the game is the Dragonborn IS a superstar. He's the hero of legend returned to stave off the end of world as prophesied in the Elder Scrolls. During the MQ the first thing you do is show everyone around you that you're Dragonborn. Sure some important NPCs ignore this but that's because of broken design not the lack of knowledge they should have in-game. And as the MQ goes on you get more and more famous. You trap a friggin dragon and ride off on him in full view of the city of Whiterun! Just because you're intentionally skipping the MQ doesn't change the actual intent of the game or the fact that world barely acknowledges that you saved it or, if you do the civil war quests, that you're the hero of Skyrim. You're making excuses for a lack of interactivity.


I'm not making excuses, I'm stating facts. You on the other hand are denying those facts assuming that your character walks around with a t-shirt saying "I'm the dragonborn". No he doesn't and nobody knows who you are except for a few people.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 1:19 pm

I am positive they know he is back. why? because every guard knows I use alchemy, am a DB memmber, etc......

I also do a crime unwitnessed and get thugs after me.


of course people know.

This.

I don't want my big parade, nor do I want my super armor/weapon. Not even ALL the people crying in my ear how I saved them. But some people(besides the psychic guards) could show a little recognition. I wrote in another thread what I consider small recognition that would warm my heart. Like a kid running up to you telling you that his mom/dad which is a guard(or not) told him/her how you saved them from Alduin, and offer you a bouquet of flowers, or a wreath, or a wooden sword they made especially for you.
And some people that "go to the cloud district very often" could know about it.
And I don't see any reason why all the guard know about EVERYTHING you do, but the people that walk next to them are completely oblivious. And the guard find out a thing the minute you did it. Like if you open up a certain ruin, and the guards across the world know it right away. Or if you slay a certain boss.
I don't think everybody wants big parades and big armors, just a little bit of realism. It's not realistic that the guards know everything but the people around them don't.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 9:59 am

Yeah, I needed more closure to end the main quest.

I don't need a parade with flowers, or every single person commenting on it. You are correct in that most people didn't even know it was going on.

But some very important ones did. I ran around to Balgruuf, Argneir, the Blades....nothing. Delphine gives one line about how she was worried and that's it.

In Morrowind, Azura appears and gives you a "you've done it!" speech and gives you a ring, then you can also go back to Vivec if he lives and get a "there's still much to do in the land" speech.

In Oblivion, you can get both from Ocato at the end of the MQ.

At the high end of the spectrum, I would have loved something like an apparition of Talos appearing, saying he chose his champion well and that there is much left to do in the world for one as powerful as the Dragonborn!

At the lower, more realistic end, it would have at least been nice for someone to give you some conversation options about it.....

But alas, it's not to be. I just saved the world. It would be nice for at least the handful of people who DID know about it to acknowledge that fact.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 5:28 am

I'm not making excuses, I'm stating facts. You on the other hand are denying those facts assuming that your character walks around with a t-shirt saying "I'm the dragonborn". No he doesn't and nobody knows who you are except for a few people.

Oh, good god, man. I'm the one stating facts. Facts, as in what actually happens in the game and what NPCs say. And you also conveniently ignored the fact the game ignores you being the hero of Skyrim as well even though you're paraded in front of crowd and announced as that person. All of Whiterun knows you're Dragonborn after the first part of the MQ. Whatever one city knows they all know. Songs are sung about you. The simple fact is, like in other threads, you're trying to defend the indefensible. The game acknowledges nothing you do in the proper manner. Guards somehow know you joined a faction but nobody ever knows that you're now the leader of that faction. You play a pivotal, extremely public, role in the civil war but nobody knows who you are even when you get to ask them how the war effected them. You can go on murderous rampages, kill someone's mom, pay a bounty and that NPCs daughter thinks you're super cool, as do all the guards and citizens of that town.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 10:55 am

Yeah, I needed more closure to end the main quest.

I don't need a parade with flowers, or every single person commenting on it. You are correct in that most people didn't even know it was going on.

But some very important ones did. I ran around to Balgruuf, Argneir, the Blades....nothing. Delphine gives one line about how she was worried and that's it.

In Morrowind, Azura appears and gives you a "you've done it!" speech and gives you a ring, then you can also go back to Vivec if he lives and get a "there's still much to do in the land" speech.

In Oblivion, you can get both from Ocato at the end of the MQ.

At the high end of the spectrum, I would have loved something like an apparition of Talos appearing, saying he chose his champion well and that there is much left to do in the world for one as powerful as the Dragonborn!

At the lower, more realistic end, it would have at least been nice for someone to give you some conversation options about it.....

But alas, it's not to be. I just saved the world. It would be nice for at least the handful of people who DID know about it to acknowledge that fact.


I got a very nice speech from Parthurnax and Angeir. The latter said something similar to Vivec along the lines of "What you choose to do from now on is up to you...blah blah blah". So I don't see how this is much different from what you described in Morrowind.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 5:17 am

Oh, good god, man. I'm the one stating facts. Facts, as in what actually happens in the game and what NPCs say. And you also conveniently ignored the fact the game ignores you being the hero of Skyrim as well even though you're paraded in front of crowd and announced as that person. All of Whiterun knows you're Dragonborn after the first part of the MQ. Whatever one city knows they all know. Songs are sung about you. The simple fact is, like in other threads, you're trying to defend the indefensible. The game acknowledges nothing you do in the proper manner. Guards somehow know you joined a faction but nobody ever knows that you're now the leader of that faction. You play a pivotal, extremely public, role in the civil war but nobody knows who you are even when you get to ask them how the war effected them. You can go on murderous rampages, kill someone's mom, pay a bounty and that NPCs daughter thinks you're super cool, as do all the guards and citizens of that town.


Sorry can't argue with your delusions.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 3:46 pm

I got a very nice speech from Parthurnax and Angeir. The latter said something similar to Vivec along the lines of "What you choose to do from now on is up to you...blah blah blah". So I don't see how this is much different from what you described in Morrowind.

I sided with the Blades, so one was dead and the other wouldn't talk to me. That would have been a little bit better I suppose. I plan on siding with them during this play through.

The whole thing still feels a little off though. A little recognition would go a long way. Here's hoping for an expansion that allows you to become a more well-known hero.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 12:17 pm

Then it's just a glitch that song is playing now. The song is a direct reference to you. The whole point of the game is the Dragonborn IS a superstar. He's the hero of legend returned to stave off the end of world as prophesied in the Elder Scrolls. During the MQ the first thing you do is show everyone around you that you're Dragonborn. Sure some important NPCs ignore this but that's because of broken design not the lack of knowledge they should have in-game. And as the MQ goes on you get more and more famous. You trap a friggin dragon and ride off on him in full view of the city of Whiterun! Just because you're intentionally skipping the MQ doesn't change the actual intent of the game or the fact that world barely acknowledges that you saved it or, if you do the civil war quests, that you're the hero of Skyrim. You're making excuses for a lack of interactivity.

lol. you DO know that the chains can be done in any order, because the game is so interactive that some people will not have joined either side or done anything but the dragonborn chain while others will spend 50 levels playing and exploring and occasionally getting a quest chain done before finally settling in and going for Alduin, right?

everyone in my country knows when Brad Pitt goes to the park without his long-term girlfriend, I think everyone in the world can name her. at a time when only mages and very special folks travel faster than horse speeds, how long would it take to care that Brad Pitt and Ms. Jolie were even involved, let alone spread the word that he was seen without her once in six months?

Skyrim is fully interactive, fully dynamic and entirely changeable. Many of the guards salute my dragonslayer character and refer to her as the Dragonborn, because they're programmed to add that to their many possible "hey sneaktheif, don't you think you can sweet talk me like those shopkeepers, did you hear the mages blew up winterhold?" responses upon seeing you.

Yep, the peoples of Skyrim know that the Dragonborn is prophesied, and nope, most of them have no idea who or what that savior will look like. They're a poor peoples, working hard with little money and even less time to spend on such thoughts than they might like. The end of days is coming, a savior is promised, and until then they have wheat to farm, animals to protect, children to teach and a million other things to do between waking up and having a night cap at the inn before settling in to bed. Not much different than people anywhere, really...

so yeah... interactive? check dynamic? check superhero in tights with a secsy glowing sword? not quite. stopped and talked to and pvssyd at every time I come into any city or holding anywhere in Skyrim for anything? yeppers. and some of them even know what's going on in my life 3 seconds after my screen resolves after a fast travel back home to sell off and level up.

peace, and if it can't be peaceful then kill them all and let their Gods sort them out.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 5:13 am

Sorry can't argue with your delusions.

At least you've conceded you can't refute anything I say. That's a step in the right direction though apparently you consider what actually takes place in the game as delusion.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 3:34 am

Guards do comment on it.
"Could you really be the Dragonborn of legend?"
"Anything for you, Dragonborn."

But the most damning evidence that my character is a superstar is his obsession with gold jewelry.
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lol. you DO know that the chains can be done in any order, because the game is so interactive that some people will not have joined either side or done anything but the dragonborn chain while others will spend 50 levels playing and exploring and occasionally getting a quest chain done before finally settling in and going for Alduin, right?

You DO know that nothing said has any bearing because the OP is talking about what happens after the MQ so the order you do it doesn't matter.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 10:22 am

To me, specifically ending the mq seemed to get no recognition whatsoever. It annoys me that many people know I'm in an extremely secretive assassin group, yet they have no clue I'm dragonborn. I'm not going to keep stating the same facts as other people do, but this really does get annoying.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 11:40 am

Actually I have been recognized by every guard I come across most of the time. plus I had parthrunax give me a speech, Agrinir give me a speech, and a dragon swear his loyalty to me. that seems like enough recognition to me.
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Oh, good god, man. I'm the one stating facts. Facts, as in what actually happens in the game and what NPCs say. And you also conveniently ignored the fact the game ignores you being the hero of Skyrim as well even though you're paraded in front of crowd and announced as that person. All of Whiterun knows you're Dragonborn after the first part of the MQ. Whatever one city knows they all know. Songs are sung about you. The simple fact is, like in other threads, you're trying to defend the indefensible. The game acknowledges nothing you do in the proper manner. Guards somehow know you joined a faction but nobody ever knows that you're now the leader of that faction. You play a pivotal, extremely public, role in the civil war but nobody knows who you are even when you get to ask them how the war effected them. You can go on murderous rampages, kill someone's mom, pay a bounty and that NPCs daughter thinks you're super cool, as do all the guards and citizens of that town.

1. the cost and time expense on a game that personally recognized you as the arch mage of winterhold with all the special priviledges that should come with it, to include being held accountable to the crimes many of the lesser intelligent Nords believe you're accountable to... adding to this your achievements as a member of the Imperial Army and your time spent in the Thieves guild as well as having slain Alduin by traveling into Sovengard and being assisted by a good number of the most amazing dragonslayers in history? I wouldn't be able to play the very glitchy and very linear game, I'm afraid. It would cost too much to develop and would be really difficult to navigate and keep straight. I prefer Skyrim for being somewhat more flexible with me, even if it means I have to bear my superstardom as a secret identity. Figure this... who wants the head of the dark brotherhood, the murderer of the Emperor to also be the savior of the tree in Whiterun, the head of the mages college and the most recognized werewolf in history because he's also the dragonborn? if everyone knew everything you'd have a lot of s'plainin to do.

2. not all of anything or anyone knows a darned thing about our characters. they're not supposed to. refer to number 1. the bards only know a few songs, the guards have a set number of things to say and most of it is rumormill and speculation.

peace... or pieces. it's always the choice when you boot up the game.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 5:16 pm

The simple fact is multiple NPCs call you the Dragonborn, all the time in fact, you're character has likely killed at least one dragon near a town in which all the town's people run up and say they can't believe what they're seeing and even mention the dragonborn and lastly you're doing all these quests for all manners of townfolk and the Jarls, etc. they obviously know who you are. Yes, I would expect to get some recognition for my accomplishments as the DRAGONBORN.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 1:45 pm

Actually I have been recognized by every guard I come across most of the time. plus I had parthrunax give me a speech, Agrinir give me a speech, and a dragon swear his loyalty to me. that seems like enough recognition to me.

It does sound a little better if you sided with the Greybeards and didn't kill Parthurnax, which I didn't do in my first playthrough. The ending after siding with the Blades is quite unfulfilling.
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